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#1 thisty1630

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 11:55 AM

Ok.. obviously I'm new at this. I have been reading and studying the pf tek method of cultivation and I think I am about ready to start my project. But, everyone keeps talking about flushing after you harvest you first set of shrooms. Is that just like dunking? After I harvest the caps and pick the pins, that's when I dunk? and what about bleaching? any answers would be greatly appreciated.... I really want to get it right the first time.. If that's possible.
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Posted 03 May 2005 - 12:17 PM

Flush means pin set and subsequent mushroom production. A flush happens after the cake is colonized-- flush=mushroom growth. Harvest after they have reached maturity and then a few days later, depending on the strain or species, another flush occurs. You can dunk after the cake is colonized 100% but before the first flush occurs or you can wait to dunk after the first flush has been harvested. People do it both ways with good success.
Bleach dunks help prevent contaminants form setting in. Use a 1:200 bleach to water ratio. This means in one gallon of water, which equals 128 oz, you would want to add approximately 0.64 oz of bleach.

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 12:19 PM

Flushing is the process of mushrooms growing out from the cake (pinning-maturity)

Dunking is when you submerge a cake in water for 12-24 hours AFTER it has gone through the first flush (the cake has grown mushrooms which you have harvested) This will replenish lost moisture content and help yields on the second flush.

The 'bleaching' you are talking about is simply when you dunk using a small amount of bleach (200:1 water:bleach). Adding bleach helps destroy contaminates which may have found their way onto the cakes during the growth period. Small concentrations of bleach do not harm the mycelium.

Some growers will dunk a cake after birthing it from the jar, this helps replenish moisture lost during the colonization stage. It is not a necessary step although if you notice your cakes are a bit dry at birth ( the cake looks slightly blue or are just noticeably dry ) it may help yields.

Take a look at the Glossary for more info on commonly used terms such as Flushing, Dunking, Bleach Tek... etc...

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 03:10 PM

I am finishing up a first flush using the tek described here:
http://www.mycotopia...icle.php?18.255
and I was wondering how I go about performing a second round of casing?

  • Do I remove the top layer of peat and re-crumble the cakes into a new cased layer?
  • Should I remove and replace the old perlite? It hasn't been changed since the first casing (but doesn't smell bad either)
  • Any other tips are appreciated. I had a great first flush thanks to you guys and gals.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 03:14 PM

So you laid the brf cake out into a fruiting dish of some sort and cased it, right? You don't have to remove the casing layer at all but many do. You can simply mist it 2-3 times a day for a few days or you can scrape the casing off reaply a new one and fruit it. If you stick with the old casing layer you may want to rough it up a bit with a sterile fork.

I would not recrumble the cakes unless you are going to spawn them to new fresh bulk substrate.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 05:41 PM

Perlite will last a while... No need to change it often.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 06:39 PM

So you laid the brf cake out into a fruiting dish of some sort and cased it, right?


I took the cake and crumbled it up intially per Alien's tek. Then I cased it with the Peat/Verm mix.

But you think I could just scrape or shake a little of this casing off the top and re-case with a fresh batch?

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:43 PM

here are a few noteable shrooms from these cakes that wont quit they will make a lovely addition to some afternoon tea:lol:
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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:51 PM

Nice Shimmy! What strain? It looks like a giver :D
Enjoy your afternoon Tea!

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 01:54 PM

thats a pretty nice 4th flush if you ask me..;)

#11 shimmy

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:43 PM

im still working with b+ but z, pf, gt, and pe are soon to be in my future:dance:

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:58 PM

looking good man, i cant wait till teatime. :) Got a buncho half ass lc tek stuff goin on today give me a call or something.

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 10:52 AM

So this is my 2nd successful attempt and things were going well up until a few days ago. There are several coming in on a cake that is producing for a second time. they are all about 4 iinches long, about as round as my ring finger. The caps aren't opening and they have stopped growing for about 3 days now. one of them is starting to turn grey at the stem. no signs of mold anywhere, no peculiar smells. 75% humidity in the terrarium and 72 degrees. anyways...any ideas as to what is going on here?

#14 nighttripper

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 10:54 AM

the caps also look a bit moist. and the greyness on one of the stems has gotten a bit darker in the last few days

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:01 AM

pick them and store[dry/refridgerate]/eat them. they won't grow.
if you leave them on that cake, they will rot.


clean the cake[s] properly and prepare them for another flush.

you might want to consider dunking
{ http://mycotopia.net...isplay.php?f=52
http://mycotopia.net...html?1100912029 }

this happens sometimes. they aborted.

just clean, dunk, and try again. make sure you keep that humidity up.
a bit higher would be nice.

also, make sure you give them good air exchange.
fan them often [2+ times a day is ideal].

#16 nighttripper

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:04 AM

i should have elaborated. I did dunk the cakes after the first flush. I will pick the greying one for now and watch the others over the next day or two. thanks for the tip. perhaps I'll clean them off tomorrow if there is no progress..

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:04 AM

and the greyness on one of the stems has gotten a bit darker in the last few days


that's the mushrooms rotting.

cut them open, you should see that they are dark/black inside.

they're probably still ok to eat, but you may want to make tea
out of them to be safe. if you just dry them out, they're
probably safe to just eat. [eating them fresh might be
a bit nasty].

if you see that a mushroom has not grown at all over the course
of a day, it has aborted. normally, they grow rather quickly.

#18 nighttripper

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:09 AM

thanks for the info....any tips you can give me on my first attempt at a casing...I've read that PE is fairly hit or miss as far as colonization goes. However, I have a good 6 maybe seven fully colonized as of later today.

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:51 AM

75% humidity is too low for cakes,
they thrive at 100% RH.
proly why yours stopped short

#20 synth

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:12 PM

thanks for the info....any tips you can give me on my first attempt at a casing.


i assume you're going to crumble colonized PF cakes and case them.
i'd use straight vermiculite, especially for your first try.
it's easy.

crumble them up into and put them into a bowl or something (preferably
a bowl that light cannot shine through. if light shines through,
mushrooms may form below the surface and be a pain to get to
and could rot and contaminate your project)

arrange the pieces so that the top surface is as level as possible.
press the pieces a little bit, but don't pack them in hard or anything.

cover the bowl with wax paper and let it sit for a few days.

pour some verm into a bowl, boil some water, and immediately pour it
into the bowl to hydrate the verm. (boiling water to sterilize)

let it cool completely (hot or even warm may hurt your fungus).

put like 1/4 inch of this wet verm over the surface, making sure that you
keep the thickness of the layer as uniform as possible.

put into fruiting conditions.

it doesn't need like 100% RH, but it should be pretty high.

I've read that PE is fairly hit or miss as far as colonization goes.


original PE is not so much hit or mess as far as colonization goes, but moreso
with fruiting.




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