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#61 waylitjim

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 12:59 PM

This Waylitjim "tek" is full of future
tenses and what ifs and unknown
entities. The questions still
obviously are standing unaddressed.


The title of this thread is Azurescens Liquid Culture > Spawn > Fruits. I never called this particular thread a "TEK" like your implying. This thread is a work in progress, and is not yet complete.

Let me give you the definition of the
word "TEK". I created it in reference to
shroom growing back in 1991.
A TEK is a series of steps that are
complete and exact with no ands ifs or
butts about it (as in hypothetical casing
conditions that may or may not be critical).
You just follow the steps and it works
perfectly and that is what
the PF TEK does.


Some things are not as simple as your PF TEK. Does that mean that they can't be called a TEK? To me the word TEK means 'an outlined procedure.' If someone follows the steps I outline for growing azures, does that mean they'll have success? Who knows? It depends on many factors like outdoor temps, humidity, age of the woodchips, and soil conditions.

This Waylitjim "tek" is full of future
tenses and what ifs and unknown
entities like "nitrogen levels in the
casing" or "beneficial bacteria" ect or
that the liquid culture tek that really doesn't
have anything to do with growing these
shrooms. Inoculant can come in many
forms


To me, this site is about more than the growing mushrooms on cakes made of brown rice four, vermiculite and water. Sure that's great, but why stop there? Cubensis is just one species, there are many more to cultivate and understand. Woodlovers are more complicated than cubensis. There are other factors which come into play. You've already admitted that you couldn't get azures to fruit. Did you ever stop and wonder why? Well that's what I'm doing. My posts are based on my own experience and they're also partly experimental.

I feel that there is some type of symbiosis taking place between the woodlover mycelium and the beneficial bacteria generated from decaying matter. Most fungi need nitrogen to develop. This is very abundant in the atmosphere, though in a different configuration than what the mushrooms need to mature. The bacteria consume organic matter, plant litter, and simple carbon compounds. They release the nutrients in these substances for use by living plants or fungi. Bacteria are particularly important in nitrogen cycling. Free-living bacteria fix atmospheric nitrogen, adding it to the soil nitrogen pool. It is then available to both the host and other plants in the near vicinity. Some soil nitrogen is unusable until bacteria convert it to forms that can be easily assimilated. I've had much better success fruiting woodloving psilocybes with the addition of an unpasteurized casing layer. On top of the casing layer, grass seed is planted. This combination is very similar to the natural conditions you'll find azurescens fruiting in nature.


And then I just wanted to
know if the shrooms pictured in post #1
were the RESULT of the tek written
herein by Waylitjim. So Waylit says
they are his photos but that doesn't
answer my question if those shrooms in
post # 1 are the result of this tek on this
thread.


Yes, the mushrooms in question were grown using the same fruiting substrate. I've been using this formula to fruit woodlovers for years now. There's been alot of trial and error, but I've found a way which works for me. I'm now just getting around to outlining these methods. I've never said follow my advice and you will succeed. We are all unique in our ways of cultivation. That's what's fun about growing mushrooms, there's many ways to do it, and this is just one of those ways.


What he has is that blue tub
that he "plans" on fruting outside when it
rains and gets cold. SO that means
this waylit tek is an experiment in
process and no completed "TEK". So
I am not impressed, but it does look
very interesting like any experiment can
and I am not saying it is bad or sucks.
No, what I am asking and saying is that
this is not a TEK yet. It is an
experiment in progress that could be a
tek all depending if that blue tub fruits
AZURES. Then you got something
serious.



This is not an experiment or a TEK. This is simply how I do it. I followed the same "method" last year and fruited Psilcobye cyanescens in this same blue tub. So you'll just have to wait and see. Can I do it with azurescens?



So the end of the thread is basically
Waylit just calling me rude. He is the
man with the answers and he aint giving any.


Happy Now?

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#62 Freaky

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 04:42 PM

Happy Now?

:rasta:




Yes, very!

And amazed too!!!!! Did you ever know that you're my hero?

#63 don't know

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 04:25 AM

Now I am straight with this thread. Those are some sweet looking
Ps. Cyanescens.

So remind me what did you case them with - the cactus mix?
And I presume you didn't sterilize the casing.

There are some really nice Ps. Cyanescens in the old book by
Pollock - "Magic mushroom cultivation". They were in some kind
of cardboard boxes in a garage and they were full sized, very
robust - very natural looking. AND That was back in 1978 when the
book was published. I never doubted that it could be done,
my problem was getting ahold of some spores. ps. cyanescens
are very rare. I can find scads of lib caps around here in the
rain forest were the Elk leave behind their pellets, but I have
never seen the cyans. My wifes little daughter found two
stunzii's on the shore line of Lake Washington in Seattle many
years ago. But that's it for them as far as me finding any.

At the Mycomedia shroom conference that took place in
1982 on Orcas Island Washington, there was a terrarium
with some kind of potting soil in a tray with one very lonely
Ps. Stunzii growing.

I just gave up looking for these caramel cap psillies many
years ago.

So I am happy indeed. And I will never bother to try and
grow any because if I grow these shrooms, it is for the
psilly and not for the growing. So I just grow the simple
way and get cubies ANd then I just extract
with ethanol and have the ultimate Teonanactl in the form
of brain blowing magic psilly crystals. What more could one
want? In my younger days I was a serious tripper and the
growing mushrooms was a neccessary pain in the ass.

And then to regard the growing of these shrooms as a "hobby"
is near insanity. If you get caught growing just one magic shroom,
that is a level 12 felony - automatic - with prison time. That is
to serious to be a "Hobby".

G'day
The Prof

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 04:51 AM


And then to regard the growing of these shrooms as a "hobby"
is near insanity. If you get caught growing just one magic shroom,
that is a level 12 felony - automatic - with prison time. That is
to serious to be a "Hobby".

G'day
The Prof


Not where I live... (netherlands) ;)

#65 don't know

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 09:05 PM

Not where I live... (netherlands) ;)


If I could sell off my assets easily and just get a pile
of cash, I would definitely move to Holland and me and my
wife would just become vagabonds and I would play my
saxophone in the streets. I love Holland - been there.
It is an enlightened country compared to all the rest. The USA is
really fucked and getting worse. The people are as a whole,
unbelievabably ignorant. The coming election will show that
I bet with the shit head Satan worshipping
republicans maintaining control.

G'day
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#66 waylitjim

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 09:59 PM

So remind me what did you case them with - the cactus mix?
And I presume you didn't sterilize the casing.


Correct.
Un-pasteurized cactus soil.
Right out of the bag.
(actually first I filter the soil thru a collander to keep out the pumice and bark)

Now I am straight with this thread. Those are some sweet looking Ps. Cyanescens.


Thanks PF ;)




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