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#1 arachnid

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 10:43 PM

Hey Bro's, Got kind of an easy question for you. I have 2 fruiting chambers ready to go and cakes will be ready for birthing in about a week from today. I'm planning on using perlite for humidification control with both, but will be doing the cake method in one and Alien's casing method in the other. I plan on dunking the cakes right after birthing. Here's the question. Do I need to dunk the cakes I plan to use in the casing as well or is it not necessary. Any input will me greatly appreciated! Thanks much!

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#2 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:06 PM

I think if you dunk them it will properly hydrate them all around... whether you're just going to fruit them, or if you're going to use Alien's method to case them in a pan or tray.

Here's the link to Alien's Page Of Grow Teks for those interested.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:09 PM

Also, I think it's going to be good for you to compare the two methods just as you are doing. You should be able to get a good idea of how the different methods affect flushes, mushroom sizes, pin sets, etc. Of course for "science" tons of comparisons should be made, but in this case, you should be able to see easily enough which method works better for you. I like to see people run comparison grows like this. :) If you can, share a few pictures with us along the way.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:21 AM

you'll find it easier to crumble after dunking

#5 arachnid

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:12 PM

Thanks alot for the input guys, the help is much appreciated. Will do on the pics!

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 12:55 PM

Lets say that some brf cakes were dunked for their second time and they were dunked in a tiny bit of bleach (like a 1 part bleach to 15 parts water) for 12-15hrs and its been 5 days without growth are they dead?:dead: :drk:

If not how long will it take for my friends mushrooms to start growing again? An estimate please..

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:03 PM

idk mang, i usually dunk in like 1 part bleach to 200 parts water.

1:15 is kinda harsh for that application.

also, were they dunked in a fridge? 15hrs might have been a
bit too long..

try scratching a bit of the surface with a [alc. sterilized] fork or knife.
new growth should be seen within a day or 2.
if not, your stuff could be dead.

also, it's a good idea to only do bleach dunks [instead of
plain water dunks] when you need to address a contam problem.

if they're not dead, and you are exposing them to proper fruiting conditions,
i've seen cakes begin fruiting in a week or even in as little as a few days
after dunking.

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:22 PM

after my dunk with 1 drop of bleach in a quart of h20, my cake started to fruit and then stopped. i made the mistake of re-using the wet verm, perlite and roticcerie chamber with out cleaning and refreshing everything and i got this bright green contam.

did you use fresh verm and perlite and clean your chamber too?

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:58 PM

also, were they dunked in a fridge? 15hrs might have been a
bit too long..

try scratching a bit of the surface with a [alc. sterilized] fork or knife.
new growth should be seen within a day or 2.
if not, your stuff could be dead.

also, it's a good idea to only do bleach dunks [instead of
plain water dunks] when you need to address a contam problem.

if they're not dead, and you are exposing them to proper fruiting conditions,
i've seen cakes begin fruiting in a week or even in as little as a few days
after dunking.


They were in the fridge. But the bleach was already in a spray bottle diluted with water. The water/bleach bottle was just sprayed lightly in a qt mason jar, filled with water, and even some water overflowed while she put the cake in there. So maybe she didnt mess up PLEASE hope not :eusa_pray Ill tell her to scrape with a clean knife when I talk to her..

after my dunk with 1 drop of bleach in a quart of h20, my cake started to fruit and then stopped. i made the mistake of re-using the wet verm, perlite and roticcerie chamber with out cleaning and refreshing everything and i got this bright green contam.

did you use fresh verm and perlite and clean your chamber too?


I think she used fresh verm not perlite but Ill also tell her to change it..

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 06:19 PM

1 to 15 is a high concentration. I doubt they will make it. Next time use 1:200 or 1:300.

Yeah, microbi that is trich fer sure. Toss that cake.

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:13 PM

Not just trich, but damned healthy looking trich! Dat shit is BRIGHT!

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:42 PM

Damn, i cut it off that trich (i never knew thats what trich looked like) and bleach dunked the rest and recased it with a cactus in between, when i got home it had a very strong scent. then i re-dunked them. i tossed the contams outside.

Do you think i could have contaminated separate airtight terrariums that are all in one large terrarium?

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 10:30 PM

I used to use 1:20 dilute bleach water in my sprayer. Well I did once....

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 11:55 PM

Damn llama it looks like you spray painted that cake blue!!!!!!!!

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Posted 27 May 2006 - 12:04 AM

That actually brings up a really important point, Llamabox. You can let a contaminated cake go and it may still fruit. But every second you see that gnarly colored contam, every SECOND...it is releasing spores. Hundreds of them per hour.

Every single ONE of those spores could start that contam on the next cake you put into that fruiting environment. Most contam infestations are a BITCH to kill unless you use harsh chemicals and beaucoup elbow grease.

You may get a half assed harvest from a contaminated cake. But you are drastically increasing the probability that any future cake fruited in the same environment will get that same contaminant.

Still a cool assed color in that picture...

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Posted 27 May 2006 - 10:04 AM

And I have read of transfer of toxins from contam to fruits, in the mycelium network.

This was not a contaminated cake, I just misted the chamber with dilute bleach water.

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Posted 27 May 2006 - 10:09 AM

i had other cakes that smelled strange and pungent so i took no chances and buried them all outdoors.:drk:

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 04:50 PM

-would you guys suggest dunking after 100% colonization before the first flush?

-would it be cool to just dump out the cake, clean off the verm. myc-piss etc. then fill the jar up with water, cap and dunk that way? i dont feel safe doing a mass dunk with contam spreading. seems this way would just be so much simpler and cleaner then scrounging up a million random tupperwares hehe

this is for invitro by the way.

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 05:23 PM

I would fruit it invitro, and dunk after the first flush.

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 05:29 PM

I have found that dunking for the first flush is unnessary, now not everyone agrees with me but I always keep them in the jars untill they star to pin, then put then into my growing chamber, and dunk after the first flush. Also when I dunk, I put 2-3 cakes in a large ziplock fill with the bleach water, squeese out all the air and dunk at least overnight.




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