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#41 golly

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 10:19 AM

Hiya Rev..!..
When the trays are first spawned , the lids are just loosely laid on for about
3 days..The bottom drain holes will become plugged up PDQ - so when its time to case em, i pop them out and put a little spacer in the bottom so the
tub becomes very free draining...For a spacer i use a bit of verm or perlite
or foam....

#42 reverend trips

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 10:42 AM

:cool: I have a FOAF who is so impressed with this style of grow, he actually went out and bought some coir that he has never used before and some sandwich containers.

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#43 golly

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 11:06 AM

Thnx ...I think your FOAF is in for a treat...:rasta:

#44 Lazlo

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 11:15 AM

I never understood why misting a pinning casing would cause aborts. Growing invitro you have fruits that are costricted to the point they get deformed inside glass that has condensation on it. I've also seen shrooms have to push thier way through wet plastic and come out just fine. Seems strange how a light mist would do that to a pin.
Is it because the water may be a few degrees different in a spray bottle that shocks them a little that makes them abort?


I think that the aborts come from misting them and then allowing the project to sit in stagnant air. I mist the hell out of my knots and primordia now with no problems that I can see. That's if the projects get a good amount of fresh air after the misting and there after.

#45 Hippie3

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 11:32 AM

it's leaving stagnant water on them that kills them,
harmless if it evaporates quickly [the air lazlo mentions]
but if left in place
the motionless water droplets left on the primordia
quickly loses its' dissolved oxygen and stagnates,
in effect smothering any underlying tissue/s.

#46 Invalid Comfort

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 06:17 PM

golly, would you be able to type up a little tek assosiated with what you did? I have a foaf who is very interested in the method but still unclear on a couple of things due to his neivity. Just a step by step is what he's looking for. I know that he would really appreciate the information contained. :)

#47 golly

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 10:11 PM

I can do dat,,,,but tommorow when im sober...heh...

#48 Elf Salvation

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 10:16 AM

Golly!! You never cease to amaze..

#49 golly

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 02:23 PM

Ok i'll do this in several posts and update later with pix in my next minitub grow..

First...we have the 20oz ziplock trays [1 1/2 pint] and pierce holes with a hot nail or drill into the base...

Fill a sink with warm soapy water + a lil bleach and toss in all the trays and lids ,along with any other tools your going to use for scooping the substrate..

Next ,take your colonized spawn material [cakes or grains] and dump em into a large ziplock bag...Close the bag and break everything up by massaging the outside of the bag...

Now we add the newly pasteurized and hydrated material, like manure,coir or vermiculite ...It can be any mix u like - even plain verm, but best to have some thing of nutrient value..

I prefer a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio for fast colo time...So shovel that mix into
the ziplock bag containing your broken up spawn and massage again till
its all evenly mixed up...

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#50 golly

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 02:49 PM

Now take each tray from the sink after a quick rinse and scoop in your mixed substrate with a giant spoon [i like a soup ladel]...Fill the trays to about a half inch from the top and level the surface...

Place the lids loosely on the trays and move em to the fruiting chamber...
3 days is usually enough incubation time for liberally spawned subs..

After the third day lids can be rotated 45 degrees to allow some air exchange if further time is needed to completly colo the surface...Otherwise they can be removed...

Once the myc has thickened up on the surface [another day or so] the casing layer can be applied...

#51 Invalid Comfort

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 03:10 PM

thanks golly! *reads avidly*

#52 golly

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 03:26 PM

For the casing layer a verm/ coir mix is the overall easiest/best way to go.

So when u have the casing hydrated,pasteurized and ready to go - U can grab the
colo'd trays and flip em out of their containers onto a dinner plate like a cake...
This is done so that a spacer of some sort can be placed in the tray bottom.
Anything will do - like plastic tubing, foam, verm ect. U just want to insure the sub will drain freely + allows pins to form on all 6 sides of the cake...A quarter inch spacer is good..

I put the spacer on the cake, then put the tub on and flip the whole dealio at once...It's really more simple than it proly sounds..heh..

Now apply a 1/4 inch casing layer and return to the FC..

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:01 PM

For watering i just use the previously posted water bottle for gently dribbling around pins n' such ..Its hard to really overwater the cake but some drying between the applications is best ...Distilled water is preferred
and can be applied at any stage through pinning..

The RH can be as low as 70% up to 95% ..When its time for harvest, the top
surface shroomz are pulled first, then pop the cake out n' grab the rest from sides and bottom..
Finally rinse and clean ,then return to tray ...Fill the holes with more casing
and wait for round two...

thasallfolks...:)

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:32 PM

Awesome. Thanks for the tek! I can't wait to try it! I just hope my trays will look half as good as yours did!

#55 Sky Rayven

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:43 PM

Thank you very much golly!!! What an intense little method!!!

I had a quick question for you about this tho.

you say that you add 1/4" of casing and return to fc. Do you wait a few more days in the incubator first to let the myc pop through the casing layer or do you just stick it right into fc after applying the casing?

#56 real_psily

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:50 PM

:bow:
those are crazy!!!
To piggy back the incubation Q do you patch or add more casing to even out the pinning or any other tricks to get a huge even flush like that?
Well Done!

#57 golly

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:19 PM

After casing, the trays go right back to the FC ..You can sit em on top of the inverted lids uncovered...
With thin casing layers - no patching is needed as any colonization is pretty uniform ..
Best not to have too much coir in the mix, so it doesn't get really overgrown.
I like about a 20-30% mix

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 06:36 PM

Golly, those are lovely! As a matter of fact I've got some GT and Amazon cakes of my own that are ready to be cased and I think I'm going to follow your lead here.

How many cakes do you fit into a container of that size, anyhow?

#59 Sky Rayven

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 07:18 PM

Dr. D ...

He uses 1 1/2 pint jar per container.

#60 Beshroomed

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 07:20 PM

Hi Golly,
My FOAF is going to try this method with a Mycro bag nugget as soon as he pulls the first flush. Can you tell me why Distilled water is better than Spring water for watering this type of caseing? This will be his first caseing as he has only done cakes before.
Thanks!




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