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#1 Hippie3

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:11 PM

observe location of veil remnants on this 12 inch specimen
i think it grew a bit more than commonly thought.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:56 PM

That thing nearly doubled in size after the veil broke huh?

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 04:58 PM

almost i'd say.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 05:09 PM

Cap doesn't seem to have got much bigger, but it sure looks like the stem grew a bunch. What stain?

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 05:09 PM

was there any additional info accompanying the pic?
eg: grow pics and/or grow specs? that is an unusual lookin bugger.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 05:33 PM

amazonian

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 06:20 PM

Your shroom maybe an extreme, but this is the exact reason I wait until after the veil tears in most cases before harvesting. :bow:

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:36 PM

also see
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:20 PM

i don't know... i'm still not convinced... i think that after a certain point (long before the cap opens) that the fruit body stops taking on mycelial mass and instead takes on only water mass. my idea (an idea only) is that small amounts of water is used in the production of the pinbody. then when the pin is mature (as far as a pin goes) it stops producing myc mass and instead just uses water to extend the myc mass that it has already produced... this is why pins are so damn dense and potent... they already have all the myc mass that the fruitbody is going to take on.. now like i said, this is only an idea thrown out to cause group thought on the issue. :)

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:25 PM

Have you seen this one Faht?

http://mycotopia.net...turger pressure

#11 Hippie3

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:00 PM

i think that after a certain point (long before the cap opens) that the fruit body stops taking on mycelial mass and instead takes on only water mass.


then when one dries them
all the water is gone
so they should weigh as much
whether picked before veil rupture
or long after.
but i haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:12 PM

Your shroom maybe an extreme, but this is the exact reason I wait until after the veil tears in most cases before harvesting. :bow:

I would think that there would be taste issues with that if you waited too long.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:14 PM

You would have to know exactly when to pick and do massive trials to study this one. Wouldn't be an easy task.

Also, we see mutations in mushroom forms. Who is to say there aren't mutations in growth habits? Like the pictured mushie, for example.

Definitely interesting.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:19 PM

shit bob, thanks for that link yo... thats exactly what i was sayin. lol good to know it's already known. i agree that it would be a task indeed. :)

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:26 PM

damn thats a nice thread. LOL where the hell was I?? would have liked to get in on that... i actually just got done with a Plants in the modern world class last semester and learned about meristems and enlongating cells and lichens and fungi etc. so i wish i would have been there for that discussion. lol bummer... oh well.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:44 PM

interesting

what about the psilobin and psilocibin? do they grow in the same celluar manner?

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:44 PM

hmmm....:eusa_thin

#18 Bobcat

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:47 PM

Those are chemicals produced by the cells, so they don't grow. Whether they increase at certain stages, I have no clue. I guess it would depend on what point the fruit body actually stops growing- if it definitively stops growing. Before or after the cap opens? And would that trigger the fruit to stop production? dunno.

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:06 AM

So if we all sort of agree that a musroom doesnt nessisarally gain mass just length because of water being taken on. does that mean that when rev and his foafs grow bigguns they start out as fat ass button mushrooms and then just get taller? does this mean as some have asked that Rev's bigguns weigh fifteen, twenty grams or a hell-of-a lot more as a short fat cubbie and then get just get taller? I havnt been here long enough to provide answers but i would agree that we see mutations in all forms of mushrooms, either in color or shape most offten but whos to say the mutations couldnt occur in growth spurts?

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 07:44 AM

I always thought whether there was growth after the cap opened, was strain and environment dependant.




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