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#1 eastwood

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:08 AM

Ok .I was wondering if there are any teks for preparing Lophophora williamsii..????? i would like to know how much is needed when preparing for ingestion and good methods for ingesting.. thank ya

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:39 AM

Do you have the proper loph plants? 15-20g dried is a good dose, but again the alkaloids very tremendously.

Edited to say, follow any trichocereus tek here, we have many good ones.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:47 AM

I'll see what I can find.
But I have read that you don't want to do an extraction on peyote due to the fact that you loose unique alkaloids in the peyote, so it is said to just eat it w/o extraction. 12-30g dose is recommended from light to strong. I have also read that putting the cactus in the freezer(unlike boomers) helps to burst the cell walls and allowing more alkaloids to surface just before you consume.
Like I said I've never dosed peyote but I'll try to find you more info on it.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:49 AM

Take other peeps words over mine as most have more experience with cactus.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:53 AM

This is just a personal opinion, but if I had some real Loph buttons, I wouldn't be doing anything but chewing them up.

Quickly.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:55 AM

REAL Quickly...lmao

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

Fresh or dried, you should just eat the little green buggers. If they are fresh you are very lucky. Take out the white fuzz which will have seeds in it maybe. Fast for 12 hrs and then slowly eat 5-6 cactus. Wait 45 min and see how its going. Peyote doesn't metabolize like fungi so you can keep eating more and sustain your high or increase it as you go in the first two hrs or so. Takes a long time to get down. You can literally feel the stuff going through your body the whole time right out the end. I never really feel like I'm down until 12-18 hrs later when you dump it out the other end. Wild stuff. It is good medicine. You are lucky to have some. Every cell in your body feels it. Must be the many diff alkaloids.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:11 PM

Cool,..I possibly try them in a sort time aswell !
If you don't like the taste :puke:,you can dry them and put them in capsules...

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:13 PM

ok .. so... i should just eat fresh or dry.. ok.. little confused about the dose tho .. say if i have 8-10 cm buttons how many will be needed ... i cant really weigh because there in soil now .. and I really cant fast because im diabetic .. this not fasting shouldnt be a problem should it ?????????? I hear people talk about fasting with Psilocin but i never do ..... thanks for all the help

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:35 PM

Fasting isn't a must..and I think if you are a diabetic you don't eat much do you ?

8-10 cm is a good size.. so take the advice above..start low,wait and take more if you think you have too !

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:38 PM

And be prepared to purge/vomit. Many people do.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:31 PM

Spacecake no i really dnt eat to much just gotta eat with the medication of insulin .. when you say 8-10 is good are you saying that 1 button this size is all ill need ????? like i said before there still in soil (as of now) so i cant weigh ( again as of now ) ... an Buckaroobanzai i dnt ever get sick off of fruit or sid but you think the buttons will, for sure have me sick ?????? again thanks for all the help (*__*) Still confused about how much to dose ?

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:58 PM

No..you need more ..I think at least 4 or more...
Did you do something to boost alkoloids ?

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 02:05 PM

I found this too...

Dosage

It is difficult to indicate how much mescaline one peyote cactus contains, as this depends on its age and growing conditions. The bigger and older a cactus, the more mescaline it contains. An average peyote dosage is about 12-30 gr, which is the equivalent of about 6-15 (or more) cacti of 2 gr.
Remember that potency can vary greatly. Therefore it is best not to take the dosage all at once, but to build up the dosage gradually: take half of the dosage, wait an 60 to 90 minutes to see what the effect is, then if desired take half of what is left over and if necessary repeat. A Peyote trip takes about two to two and a half hours to peak.


Mescaline dosages: <table><tbody><tr><td> 150 mg </td><td> threshold dosage. </td></tr> <tr><td> 150 - 300 mg</td><td> light to moderate dosage </td></tr> <tr><td> 300 - 400 mg </td><td> strong trip, last 6 - 12 hours</td></tr> <tr><td> 450 - 500 mg </td><td> possible ego dissolution, trip will last about 12 hours</td></tr> <tr><td> 500 - 600 mg </td><td> definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours</td></tr></tbody></table>



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Posted 16 January 2007 - 02:40 PM

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>--''500 - 600 mg </TD><TD>definite ego dissolution, trip can last up to 24 hours</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>''--

Imagine that !!!

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

I've read that the NAC uses both dried buttons as well as tea. Get them down one way or another. I heard 6 was a good starter but often much more is consumed -- basically as much as you can until you puke.

One of my dreams is to attend a real peyote ceremony some day, though I'm not a fan of puking, I'm sure there is a lot of wisdom in peyote...
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 04:26 PM

yes i have also read 6-8 medium buttons to start, or 7 -12 smaller buttons.

mescaline changes (lowers?) sugar levels in the brain.
not sure if that effects diabetics in any way,
something to look up if you haven't already.

enjoy the special medicine!:cacti:

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 06:05 PM

well first off thanks spacecake,coyotemesc,buckaroobanzai,loochypooch,rocketman,raveneye for all the input......looks like i need to study a little before making that journey. illl try to get some pictures up and let you all know how it goes down ...thanks again friends (*__*)

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 07:00 PM

I've eaten fresh buttons in a tipi on the Rez, and chewing those things was about the worst tasting thing I've ever come across. That said, I managed to choke some down, chased with peyote tea that tasted like a horse barn smells. Literally.

There were about 24 of us attending, and no one puked. It lasted about 13 hours.

I would consider peyote buttons to be one of my most sacred posessions, and would not mess with them in any way...I would just force myself to eat them straight rather than risk messing up some sort of extraction with such a rare treat.

Take out the white fuzz which will have seeds in it maybe.


The roadman at the event I attended had done something to the buttons, but I wasn't sure what. It might have been the removal of that fuzz, since I don't recall the buttons having any fuzz. I was told that the part that makes people puke had been cut off (or out, I can't remember). The buttons were cut into pieces, so something inside might have been removed as well- I never saw a whole, uncut button.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:57 AM

First thing you need to know is how old they are. If they're under 10-15 years old then you're wasting your time.




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