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#101 farmermoo

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 02:54 PM

So are we going to make this a bitching thread now? I don't really see the benefit in that. I guess we wait and see, or someone here steps up to do it, if I had tissue I would try it out. Like many noted the pictures of his growth do not look like healthy mycelium to me, but I am no expert. This would be really cool though if it works, it would be kind of a novelty drink to have around the house :)

#102 Hippie3

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:50 PM

good thing we weren't depending on you eh ?
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#103 farmermoo

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:16 PM

yah it is

#104 Mortandello

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:44 PM

Moooooo:headbang:

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:48 PM

hahahaha

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 08:14 PM

I'd need a pretty strong faith in (and perhaps an odd desire to immediately meet) this Jesus character, before I'd consume any of the grape juice swill described in these and other posts... there's absolutely no telling what's in that shit. Best of luck to those folks :puke:

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 06:53 PM

Yeah, it either takes a lot of faith, or a pair of balls.

The Rig Veda mentions that Soma is not for the weak-minded, but for those who are ready to become Godly.

BTW, there is no discoloration in the mycellium. The culture is pure white. The discoloration you see in the pics is from reflected lights and colors.

"By means of this eternal fleece may Surya's Daughter purify
Thy Soma that is foaming forth." Rig Veda, Book 9, Chapter 1, Verse 6

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 07:10 PM

it's a very fine line between bravery and folly.
and i don't see
equating prudence with being weak-minded.

what's all this macho shit got to do with
enlightenment
anyway ?

i daresay i don't for one second believe that
a truly enlightened being would despise
any other being
for any reason-
be it small balls or even a weak mind.
;)
this discovery, if one is made,
will not just be for the pseudo-mystics,
it'll be for everyone.
i have some samples on the way, i will see for myself.
others are doing the same.
we will see.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 12:00 AM

Well, peele got growth that he firmly believes is amanita mycelium but he pulled the plug on posts. Said he wanted to get his work copywrited before he posted anymore.
Anyway, we need to get some of you who have easy access to amanita tissue to try this.


That sounds like he bailed on the experiment but wanted to save face by having a plausible reason to make it vanish. I know a woman who dated a guy "who invented a car that ran on water." To this day she believes his invention was real, even though it always got 'stolen' or 'someone was trying to steal the design so I had to hide it' just before meetings with potential investors.

Maybe Mr. Peele hopes everyone will forget about it after awhile...but alas, enterprising members around here are, one by one, going to come back and give it a thumbs down. That's my prediction. This brew may be psychoactive, but I'd bet $100 it isn't Amanita.


Years from now, all the old prudes will be gathered around the fire telling stories about all the long-since-gone bold explorers who ate or drank all sorts of curious and unfathomable concoctions ("you guys remember the Mucor smoothies? :lol: ") By then a certain wisdom will have set in, namely that a reckless life implies a total lack of the balls to experience Old Age.

So is Mucor trippy like ergot or what? Who's got the balls to find out for me?


Rawkcuf: What does that Rig Veda quote mean? I see the Soma reference, and I assume "foaming forth" is to imply fermentation?

I'd agree that Soma is probably Amanita, but as to what form it's consumed in, that still seems up to interpretation. I could interpret that same statement to imply a hearty piss, all foamy and tripadelic and ready for being purified by some mysterious process involving something fleecy (that might improve the flavor), and some chick, maybe a priestess? Or it could refer to being purified by an actual sheep in similar fashion to the Siberian shamans letting the reindeer eat the amanitas and then collecting their urine for consumption. As it foams forth, no doubt.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 12:58 AM

Touche ;)
The discovery is for everyone, I agree very much so.

I'm not trippin on anyone, it's just my handwriting. I don't despise; I'm don't think I'm completly enlightened yet, either... there's still so much to learn :)

I could be wrong about the Rig Veda. Perhaps the ambrosia that Don taught me how to brew, from Amanitas, is not the legendary Soma. My belief that a mushroom better fits the description of Jesus than a human, is an opinion that might be inaccurate. I don't think I'm drinking mucor... it doesn't make sense. This pure white fleece only grows on grape juice after I've dropped powdered amanita (or mycellium from previous cultures) onto it. If I could get it to grow without the presence of amanitas that would be pretty cool :).

I'm familiar with how psillys grow. I know you have to sterelize the medium which you will be growing it on, then you innoculate it with psilocybe spores, and psilocybe mycellium grows. Of course it is obvious when it's contaminated; just like when brewing the ambrosia. I'd say that 1 out of every ten bottles that I innoculate gets contaminated. I'm getting better. It's the pesky yeast spores flying around all over the place that it is the biggest pest :).

Anyway. I've experienced Amanitas before, and I know that when I drink my ambrosia, the effects are almost identical, except the best parts (euphoria, and true well-being, feeling completly content in the Here and Now) are more enhanced. This is why I continue to grow and consume ambrosia. It's such a wonderful and beautiful experience that I wanted to spread the word to as many people as possible. I know that people aren't going to just accept what I say as fact... I wouldn't. So, my goal, in essence, was to plant the seed of possibility and hopefully stir interest and debate; I think I've done well so far ;).

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 11:35 PM

i have some samples on the way, i will see for myself.
others are doing the same.
we will see.



Any word from anyone on this?

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 05:14 AM

How about analyzing some of the actual experiences, (if there are any) of the people who consumed the result of this experiment? (Do we have any trip reports?)

Even if the final product is indeed muscimol, what makes you think it will induce the same type of trip as the mushroom flesh itself? Are you trying to
clone the shroom just for the challenge of it? My advice is to be a little bit
humble on this one...

Now i know some of you will debate, on that the same procedure has been repeated with other psychoactive shrooms in the past (cubes), but doing the same with the king of fungi seems like cloning a human to me.

Here's why: The actual intoxication from Amanita muscaria, seems to be of such scientific importance to the human existance, just as the divinity of a human brain.(=You may have fun with it, but we all know you better don't fuck with it,in terms of cloning, that is)


Playing with mycelium, may be fun.Cloning such a powerfull hallucinogen might not.
I have been consuming megadoses of Amanita muscaria for 7 years now, and i am shure that if i describe some of my experiences, you will stop cloning and start hunting.

The lessons that can be derived from this particular carposoma, are so important and wide, that it sounds funny to try and mimic nature this time...

The teachings of Amanita are so powerfull, that reforming it in our own way..
sounds at least funny!

Now i don't mean that other hallucinogens are not equally powerfull, i am just saying that the nature of this specific substance seems to be well hidden for some strange reason, and reasons, sometimes seem to be placed in very special places.

After all, what is the true reason behind all this strugle to cultivate Amanita muscaria? Did you trip on a big dose and are in desperate need of some more? :eusa_snoo

I think it is not coincidence that the mushroom hunting experience is almost as mind-altering as this mushroom's entheogenic properties...

This experiment is good for microscopornic reasons only imo...lol

#113 Hippie3

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 07:02 AM

such a superstition is ok for you i guess
but not for me.
it's just a fungus with a chemical in it.
not a king.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:59 AM

Sterile,
So your saying if we clone "the king of fungi" then it might seek some kind of vengeance? I tend to believe similar lines as 3 who posted above, but if I were to argue the point using your same guide lines I could just as easily say "maybe it wants to be cloned". After all it seems like it is possible just like most other fungi.

I agree that hunting is a very fun experience and something I would recommend to everyone but cultivation is also very fun and significant. If humans quit pursuing their interests based on superstitious beleifs then we would be stuck in the Dark Ages. Through cultivation the fungi we live in symbiosis with have a better chance at survival. Maybe Mr. Amanita doesn't want to be hunted and picked. Maybe it wants to be available to those who can't hunt it due to various reasons. Maybe it wants to enlighten all!

It stands to reason, if indeed it has been cloned, that cloning is a rather easy thing to accomplish and if so a natural thing. I give no more significance to Amanita than I do to all the other hallucinogens. After all, imo, peyote, dmt, and psilocybin have all played pivitol roles in human evolution.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:05 AM

btw i support research into human cloning ,
too.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 02:07 PM

The first thing i felt when i came across this thread, was happiness...happiness to see my brothers trying to break the myth surrounding Amanitas...

I ashure you that i will welcome any positive results on your experiments with divine extacy, and never think of a single negative thought about it.

Maybe thats because i will benefit much more than you, from such a great leap forward hippy...(i consume hundreds of grams every year)
or...
maybe because i am also a passionate grower, and i feel your love for our amazing hobby,
But then again, typing sentences like: "it's just a fungus with a chemical in it.
not a king" makes me even more sceptical about the ignorance on the specific subject...
Science is just a dirty fart without the spiritual dimention that surrounds our little friends...
The reason behind your experiments is like the mushroom's mycelium...if it gets contaminated by egoism, and pride, then yes, you MIGHT be punished.

And if you like to call it superstition,be my guest, i will just call it karma.

I wish you success from deep within my shroomy heart, and will unleash every good vibe for you,
but never underestimate the gaian spirit...

The reason i seemed so doubdfull about growing Amanitas at home, was not because i don't believe it can be achived, but rather because it resembles the phraze:
: "i'm pointing at the moon, and you're looking at my finger"

To make myself clear: There is so little known about the wisdom found under the red caps, that trying to clone it reminds me of humans travelling to the moon by the means of technology spending billions of dollars, when me and many other Amanita travellers simply astral project ourselves many galaxies further than
any human spacecraft has ever been to.

Good luck to all, i wish you only success!!!

Love, peace, and humble hugs


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Posted 12 April 2007 - 02:17 PM

typing sentences like: "it's just a fungus with a chemical in it. not a king"
makes me even more sceptical about the ignorance on the specific subject...
Science is just a dirty fart without the spiritual dimention that surrounds our little friends...
The reason behind your experiments is like the mushroom's mycelium...if it gets contaminated by egoism, and pride, then yes, you MIGHT be punished.


you say you eat hundreds of grams a year
but your first response to some
skeptical critical thinking
is to insinuate that i'm ignorant,
then you follow it up with
some thinly veiled insults
about my ego and pride
and finish off with some threat
of punishment for my blasphemy.

oh, i can just feel your light shine...
:lol:

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 02:35 PM

i think hip has his right to believe what something is or isnt, as we all. In the current light of things, i see the amanita as just a usefull "teacher" as the psilcybes, because like the psilocybes its history is ancient, and its wisdom, well, beyond anything most people can imagine.
for sterile the amanita is a sacred sacrament, and i do regard this opinion with respect as well. for hippie though, its an object that has a certain effect if one eats it. now i dont think this bad way of reacting to it (in fact one may eat a deadly amanita, and then you're dead). but also respect the fact that sterile has eaten hundreds of grams. i find among trippers that one can learn a lot from experienced shroomers no doubt, but in your case you should note that sometimes one can be foolish and selfish with a strong attachment to that "ego", but i believe that, assuming you guys have experience with varieties of psychadelic fungi, you are wasting your breath arguing what a certain object is to someone else. dont get me wrong i hate the fact that trees, water, and soil is commodifed to be used for our own purposes and values. in the end leaving a strip malled or strip mined, or clear-cutted and suburban developed nature. the real teachings a pure hallucinogenic experience gives is supposed to circumnavigate these behaviors of self-destruction, which say a lot of people, are rooted in attachment and desire for things the ego cant let go of.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 03:23 PM

you say you eat hundreds of grams a year
but your first response to some skeptical critical thinking
is to insinuate that i'm ignorant,
then you follow it up with
some thinly veiled insults about my ego and pride
and finish off with some threat of punishment
for my blasphemy.
oh, i can just feel your light shine...
:lol:



It is funny how you think everything i typed was centralized around you hippy.

I didn't even think about insulting you, i was talking about all the mycotopians who don't know much about the Amanita trip itself and are trying to clone it.
I didn't even call YOU an ignorant, you just remind me of the IGNORANCE around the Amanita muscaria and just mentioned the rest about the purity of the purpose of cloning.

I wonder why you got so upset. After all, we are both so many years shrooming around the net, that i love you just for even that.

peace brother, i did type a few positive things, why not look at them instead?

After all, thats what i am all about

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 03:32 PM

to me
it doesn't much matter
whether i was the target
or some un-specified 'topiate,
the target is NOT the point of contention.
just using words like ignorance, egoism, pride, punishment
makes your intention quite clear.

but i can't help myself,
i do feel obliged to point out
that you were indeed
talking directly to me.

i will benefit much more than you, from such a great leap forward hippy


typing sentences like: "it's just a fungus with a chemical in it. not a king"
makes me even more sceptical about the ignorance on the specific subject...
Science is just a dirty fart without the spiritual dimention that surrounds our little friends...
The reason behind your experiments is like the mushroom's mycelium...
if it gets contaminated by egoism, and pride,
then yes, you MIGHT be punished.


i am the person that typed that sentence to which you refer..




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