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#21 fahtster

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 10:27 PM

hehehe, freaky.. :) well, heres something new for you (and I) to stare at. lol

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1169783148

:) heres whats up next... hillbill's i'm sure HB will be glad to see them ;) he so graciously gave me four syringes for fahtsgf's entry into the bnl awhile back... that one that everyone tied at. I bought her a super nintendo and i got some sick muchroom spores :headbang: this is just what a couple of the first cakes to pin are doing... the rest aren't far behind. that'll be another thread! :) these are going to get big. the pic really doesn't do them justice, they are a really pretty shroom. thanks again HB! :) heres the sneak peek...

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1169783148

someone told me that hillbill's were still pretty wild... but i just don't see it. they are pinning like mad! ;)
/me blushes... thanks jackal.
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#22 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 10:41 PM

Damn, dude. Thas some nice shiznat ya gots goin'!!!!

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:09 PM

ok, well heres todays pic... this may be the last pic i take of this bin. dunno tho. depends on how they look at harvest. ;) after this theres Hillbill's comin up then Koh Samui, and Treasure coast shortly after so stay tuned for those. thanks for taking a look! :)

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1169854384

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#24 the_chosen_one

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:21 PM

and some peeps think that cakes don't yield .....HA!

fabulous as usual Big Guy :bow:

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:24 PM

:heart: :teeth:

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:04 PM

Excellent job :)

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:45 PM

(trying to make my long drawn out explanations
easier to read)

thanks ck, I think this is a good time to talk
about the mid pinning waterings that i do 'cause
i think it has a definite impact on the outcome
of the flush. i really just started doing this on
the last round of bins but once the thought was in
my head A LOT of things kinda just fell into place.
the first pics i posted were right before i took a spray
bottle and watered the middle of each top
(top stack of cakes only) layer
of verm casing.

if you look really closely and i know
it's hard 'cause of the lighting in the pics (i upped
the exposure a tad to make the cakes pop out), you
can see in that there is a small indent in the middle
of each casing layer.. this is where i took the spray
bottle and put it right up close (i want to get it as
close as i can to the verm layer so that i don't directly
spray the fruitbodies.) and sprayed the verm until it
was nice and moist i.e., it doesn't move around like
if it were dryer.
i did this because i felt the verm layer
(i keep this nice and moist always) and it was dryer
(i could move it around a little with my finger easily)
this means that the cakes used some of this water from
the verm reservoir to make it's pins. now the cakes
in those first pics all pretty much had all their pins
(a bunch of bottom cakes were a bit too moist so they
were slower in making all their pins, they just need to
evaporate some water first.. a couple bottom cakes
are still pinning in the center there... you can see it's
a little thinner towards the middle as opposed to the
ends and corner cake towers.) at full maturity. i think

that adding the water at this point and replenishing that
top verm layer ensured that ALL of those mature pins
extended/grew out to full mushrooms... you'll be, like
i am, really hard pressed to find a pin in that last pic
i just posted that aborted. even if they are really small
pins, they still grow really small mature mushies. there
is not a blue or black pin in the bin as it is. so i think
when and where (to the center of the casing layer, not
on or near the bases of the fruitbodies) water is added
can be really important in pulling the maximum capabilities
out of your substrates. just my conclusion anyway. ;)

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:51 PM

So nice fahtster my brother :thumbup:

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:10 PM

Nice cakes faht............... :D

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 12:01 AM

(trying to make my long drawn out explanations
easier to read)

thanks ck, I think this is a good time to talk
about the mid pinning waterings that i do 'cause
i think it has a definite impact on the outcome
of the flush. i really just started doing this on
the last round of bins but once the thought was in
my head A LOT of things kinda just fell into place.
the first pics i posted were right before i took a spray
bottle and watered the middle of each top
(top stack of cakes only) layer
of verm casing.

if you look really closely and i know
it's hard 'cause of the lighting in the pics (i upped
the exposure a tad to make the cakes pop out), you
can see in that there is a small indent in the middle
of each casing layer.. this is where i took the spray
bottle and put it right up close (i want to get it as
close as i can to the verm layer so that i don't directly
spray the fruitbodies.) and sprayed the verm until it
was nice and moist i.e., it doesn't move around like
if it were dryer.
i did this because i felt the verm layer
(i keep this nice and moist always) and it was dryer
(i could move it around a little with my finger easily)
this means that the cakes used some of this water from
the verm reservoir to make it's pins. now the cakes
in those first pics all pretty much had all their pins
(a bunch of bottom cakes were a bit too moist so they
were slower in making all their pins, they just need to
evaporate some water first.. a couple bottom cakes
are still pinning in the center there... you can see it's
a little thinner towards the middle as opposed to the
ends and corner cake towers.) at full maturity. i think

that adding the water at this point and replenishing that
top verm layer ensured that ALL of those mature pins
extended/grew out to full mushrooms... you'll be, like
i am, really hard pressed to find a pin in that last pic
i just posted that aborted. even if they are really small
pins, they still grow really small mature mushies. there
is not a blue or black pin in the bin as it is. so i think
when and where (to the center of the casing layer, not
on or near the bases of the fruitbodies) water is added
can be really important in pulling the maximum capabilities
out of your substrates. just my conclusion anyway. ;)

fahtster


i was just actually thinking about this again (I have a very hard time sleeping at night. lol) and with the adding of water as the cake uses it may do away with a dunk being needed after this flush. theres a possiblity that i can just pick the fruits and recase and still have fully hydrated cakes. :D we'll see.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:32 AM

well, my previous post seems to have been correct. I didn't have to dunk these cakes to get them to start putting out a (what looks to be) nice second flush. BUT, this first flush, even tho it looks pretty nice, did only about 3 dry oz's of mushroom matter. This is far below what i expect from my bins. I do believe that the reason for this it due to too much water content. So i think that there is definitely a thin line that, if crossed, acts against the health of the cake... so i'm still playing around with what the exact steps are that should be taken for optimum cake hydration. A lot of the bottom layer cakes were the ones that didn't put out a heavy fruit weight because i compensated for more evaporation than took place, but at the same time, they didn't lose any cake mass so they should technically put out a nice 2nd flush. an as you can see, the cakes don't seem to be letting up any in the pin formation dept. these cakes were picked, cleaned, bleach dipped for 15 min. and recased in a cleaned terrarium... no more water was added to the casing layer as was done in the first flush. I'm hoping that these cakes put out something close to the wieght of the first flush and I can call it even in the end, which i so love doing. ;) heres the pics of the pins.. on the downside, i did end up losing 5 cakes all together til this point but that is taken in account ahead of time. :)

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1171036652

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1171036652

I'm going away until Sunday, so i may not have more pics until this bin is mature. :)

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:42 AM

Amazing faht

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:46 AM

awesome! :eusa_clap :headbang: :bow:
i bet you'd be very very happy when you get back
keep us posted on those hydration experiments.. im sure that would turn out extremely useful to a lot of us! thanks faht!
3 oz dry is a lot!
sad you lost 5 cakes though.. to what, if i may ask?

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:50 AM

thanks. :) either trich or pennicillin... i rarely see anything else.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 05:43 PM

i might be reading this wrong but your saying that a high water content caused them to grow small and to produce less yield ? i know that contams are worse when its to high . whouldnt it be the isolate to blame for the small yield ? im not a cake kinda guy but from everything ive seen dunks improves the flushes not the other way around .im just wondering and by far not bashing your grow dude . your the cake master in my book :bow: . and a yield of 3 oz from cakes seems great for any cake grow. whats the avg yield per tub for your grows? as i said im a log/tray grower so i no very little about the water content effect on cakes . id be willing to bet if you work in a deffernt isolate the yield and size whould go up . but thats an IMO comment .
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Posted 09 February 2007 - 06:27 PM

those do look a bit over-wet i agree.
proly better off
up off of that perlite, imho.

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 12:53 AM

yeah sandoze, too much water can inhibit pin formation. the isolate may contribute somewhat but the problem with the poor weight came from the bottom cakes not pinning well.. most of the 'fullness' that you see in those first pics are coming off the top layer of cakes that did well. i think the fact that these cakes were done with fine grade verm had an effect also. usually i don't have a problem with the bottom cakes doing bad but I was trying to push the envelope with this bin and added too much water to the casing layer of the bottom cakes so they pinned poorly. some grating might not be a bad idea on the top of the perlite, hip. def. can't hurt anything. :)

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 01:23 AM

wow!
great grow !
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Posted 10 February 2007 - 01:24 AM

heres a couple more before i leave... it's true that this isolate doesn't put off very big fruits, but theres a lot of them so it's cool. ;)

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1171090176

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1171088995

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 02:11 AM

ok dude i totally get what your saying now . i was thinking it was from the h20 being to high from the get go .so let me see if i got what your saying right here . what your saying is that the bottom basiclly got so wet that it left a layer of water so that it couldnt breath right to be able to set the pins ? yeah i was a bit slow on the pick up here guys . well dude its still not a bad grow by far . i never liked doing cakes myself . it seems like you whould do almost if not more work brf style then just going from grain to bulk tray/logs . some whould say that brf is outdated , but your grows always proves them wrong time and again . keep up the killer work . :bow: :eusa_clap :loveeyes:
later sandoze




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