Has anyone herd of or used "Bumper Crop" It is an organic mixter of Peat, Shell Fish Shells, Chicken / Cow Poo and Kelp.
I am trying a Mixture 25%,25%/50% Coconut Coir, Bumper Crop /Verm.
The website is http://www.masternur...ner/index.shtml
I am waiting on a reply from them to find out the Mag % in the lime used when they creat the mix.
But if any of you have experiance with using Bumper Crop please reply and share your experiance
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Bumper Crop
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, Mar 05 2005 12:36 PM
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Posted 05 March 2005 - 12:42 PM
I didn't see it on their site, but you want to make sure it's no more than 5% chicken manure. The cow poop and kelp will help, but peat is fairly inert. That's why we use peat for a casing. Mixing with coir will help. If it's already colonizing, let us know how it goes.
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Posted 05 March 2005 - 12:50 PM
They don't give the % if ingerdiants "chicken to cow poo". When I was asking about the Mag% they are kind of reluctant on giving the mixture formula. I can understand the legal reasons and concerns
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Posted 06 March 2005 - 03:54 PM
I decided to try merical grow soil as a growing media. It took about seven days to colinise. I noticed my shrooms had not been all that potent. So one of my casings is made up 50/50 MGS/Verm.
One concern I only have like 14 mushies. One will probably open its cap today or tonight. The others just came up yesterday. When I first did Maz back on Oct I had 130 or so mushies out of my first frush. Why so little this time?
Is it normal not to get so many shrooms the first flush. Befor I got a ton the first lush and then the count receded each flush.
Please reply with all your colective wisdome.
Thank You:
The Chef
One concern I only have like 14 mushies. One will probably open its cap today or tonight. The others just came up yesterday. When I first did Maz back on Oct I had 130 or so mushies out of my first frush. Why so little this time?
Is it normal not to get so many shrooms the first flush. Befor I got a ton the first lush and then the count receded each flush.
Please reply with all your colective wisdome.
Thank You:
The Chef
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Posted 06 March 2005 - 05:20 PM
Oyster shell typically contains .03% magnesium and 40-80%calcium carbonate ...these numbers proly vary somewhat depending on the location of harvest but should be within acceptable limits for mush...Oyster also brakes down very slowly so u might want to check the Ph....i guess they add peat to balance the shell's alkalinity...
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 08:29 AM
Sounds like it is meant more for flower or vegatable gardens.
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 08:52 AM
am trying a Mixture 25%,25%/50% Coconut Coir, Bumper Crop /Verm.
as what, a casing or bulk sub ?
doesn't seem well suited for either, imo
too much nutes for casing
not enough as substrate
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Posted 07 March 2005 - 02:55 PM
I'n mot sure about the chicken shit part. Chicken shit has lots and lots of nitrogen and phosphorus, like dangerous amounts....Chicken shit is one of the leading problems people face today with fertilizers and chemicals leaking into the ground. So i wouldn't use very much of it.
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Posted 08 March 2005 - 11:19 AM
Hippie and Sporeaddik
I cased my cakes. Hippie what is meant by to much nutes. I thought you wanted as much nutes as possible. Do't these things tend to grow in areas that cattle and such rome?
What are dangerouse amounts of Nitrogen and Phos and what are some of the problems they will cause. I grew in 50/50 peat/Verm. But it seamed to me my shrooms were week. I wanted to try something with more nutes to increase yeald and potency.
Thank You for your insite and you help is greatly welcomed.
I cased my cakes. Hippie what is meant by to much nutes. I thought you wanted as much nutes as possible. Do't these things tend to grow in areas that cattle and such rome?
What are dangerouse amounts of Nitrogen and Phos and what are some of the problems they will cause. I grew in 50/50 peat/Verm. But it seamed to me my shrooms were week. I wanted to try something with more nutes to increase yeald and potency.
Thank You for your insite and you help is greatly welcomed.
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Posted 08 March 2005 - 11:40 AM
to my knowledge there has been no definative proof that one can increase potency by any methoid or addatives... though there has been research that suggest that they are SLIGHTLY more potent (%/weight) when picked before the veil tears...
if you want to increase yeilds then go with tried and true.. get yourself some agar and start isolating... or at least find yourself some good clones and start growing those.
good luck chefpj
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if you want to increase yeilds then go with tried and true.. get yourself some agar and start isolating... or at least find yourself some good clones and start growing those.
good luck chefpj
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Posted 08 March 2005 - 05:09 PM
It's like making lemonade man..A little lemon juice is nice but try dumping a can of concentrate in the glass an chug that...there's a point where too much is... er... not so good ...Shrooms like a balance jus like anybody....Chicken shit proly works but less is needed because of its potency....
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Posted 08 March 2005 - 05:56 PM
im assuming too many nutes suggests that if you put certain types of nutes into the mix, that it will be more contam friendly.
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 04:24 PM
Well the myc as totaly colinised the Bumper Crop. I have heavy over lay. Only one of the casings produced mushrooms. The first flush I got 7 mushies again one BIG GUN and the second flush only produced 5 small mushies.
The other 4 casings after 12 days just have heavy over lay with no fruites.
The Chef.
The other 4 casings after 12 days just have heavy over lay with no fruites.
The Chef.
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 06:47 PM
I see it has blood and bone meal in it. That and the chicken poop is probably too much nitrogen. Also, mushrooms are vegetarians, so they probably didn't appreciate the blood/bone meal. Next time skip the fertilizer, and use the same formula, but with coffee grinds and worm castings in place of the bumper crop.
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 07:20 PM
A problem of the Miracle Grow soil may be that the mycelium cannot colonize it properly. Thus a strong mycelial network will not result. Only a poor flush will.
When hippie talked about having too many nutes he was refering for use as a casing layer.
What did you case your bumper crop trays in chef?
When hippie talked about having too many nutes he was refering for use as a casing layer.
What did you case your bumper crop trays in chef?
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 07:57 PM
Quote: "What did you case your bumper crop trays in chef?"
OK my terminoligy or understanding of terminoligy might be off. I thought by braking up my cakes and incasing them in a layer of substrate in a pan was "casing"
If someone can explain what I did, this is it. = In a pan I put down a layer of verm "field capasity" I then I put a layer if my broken up cakes, over that I put my casing layer of Bumper Crop and Verm. 50/50.
From what I am seeing is I have a great myc network. It has growm thick through the bumper Crop layer.
OK my terminoligy or understanding of terminoligy might be off. I thought by braking up my cakes and incasing them in a layer of substrate in a pan was "casing"
If someone can explain what I did, this is it. = In a pan I put down a layer of verm "field capasity" I then I put a layer if my broken up cakes, over that I put my casing layer of Bumper Crop and Verm. 50/50.
From what I am seeing is I have a great myc network. It has growm thick through the bumper Crop layer.
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 08:11 PM
You did in fact make a casing. As hippie posted, the bumper crop probably has too much nutrients to use in a casing layer. This is why there is overlay. The mycelium is colonizing the casing layer. The cakes should have been mixed up with the bumper crop/verm layer. This creates the "substrate layer". Above this layer you should use another non-nutritional "casing layer"....such as plain verm, verm/coir, or verm/peatmoss.
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 08:23 PM
Highflyer: I think you answered the next question I have. Can I do a dunk at this point and then recase. I will do a coir/ver.
Thank for looking out and giving your advice not just to highflyer but to all of you as well.
When I recase do I pick the old verm, and grains off the bottom of the casing layer?
Reverm put the old casing layer down and then recase with coir/verm?
The Chef
Thank for looking out and giving your advice not just to highflyer but to all of you as well.
When I recase do I pick the old verm, and grains off the bottom of the casing layer?
Reverm put the old casing layer down and then recase with coir/verm?
The Chef
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Posted 18 March 2005 - 11:52 PM
you can dunk if the casing is drying out. then simply put back in, and put a mix of verm/peat about a 1/4 or 1/2 inch thick on top.
coir is one of those ingredients that people debate about. some say its great for casings and they do fine with it, others swear it has too many nutes in it and may overlay. putting you back in the position your in now.
if you dont have peat, maybe just go with straight verm for the casing layer
coir is one of those ingredients that people debate about. some say its great for casings and they do fine with it, others swear it has too many nutes in it and may overlay. putting you back in the position your in now.
if you dont have peat, maybe just go with straight verm for the casing layer
