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#1 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:03 PM

I got these seeds from a friend. After becoming interested somewhat in spice, this botanical caught my eye. It is supposed to be similar to mimosa, and we all know the good stuff about mhrb. It does not grow tall trees, instead it grows this weed like ground hugging/crawling/sprawling lil plant. Seems cool enough.



I found this site below on the net with some info about it including some nice pictures of it outdoors in its habitat, some closeups, and some pictures of the roots!

http://www.troutsnot..._leptolobus.htm





This is a picture of the seeds I received minus a few I planted. That is also what looks like the seed pod shell. (3 pics of the seeds are attached including one high res shot)

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172290017



So having some seeds, I set up to start a few and see what happens.

I was told by someone in chat here to score the seeds b4 planting. So, I took a really sharp pair of sterile scissors, and knicked the ends on about 6 seeds. I then took these and put them in soaked rockwool cubes. Actually, they are some sort of horticulture cubes, but same idea. ;)

These were then placed in a big ziplock partially open to keep them moist but allow some air change. This bag was placed on top of a lil floro shop light on the edge because it throws off some nice heat on top, and left it there.


Within one day, one had popped already! Within 2 days, all except 2, and within 3 days, all except one had germinated! That one never made it ;). So, 6 planted, 5 made it, 3 looking really nice now.



Have had them under a cool white T-5 dual 24" floro light setup on a near 24hr light schedule. Recently moved under a 400 watt hid. Not super bright, but they seem to like it just fine so far and are growing rather quickly.


http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172289135


The 3 nice ones have already been transplanted to deeper seed pots by directly placing the whole cube right in them. I read and/or was told they can get very large tap roots, up to 3 feet long. I already saw that tap root shooting out the bottom of the cubes, and why I opted for the deeper pots.




http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172289135

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172289360


One suggestion for future transplanting given to me was/is to use waste baskets, like kitchen garbage pails, cuz they are not so wide, but are nice and deep. Also, they may have clear ones to put something over and pull away to see the roots when/if I want... Dunno if I'll be doing that, but it's a cool idea. :headbang: Even if I just use some dollar store garbage pails! hah

The growing medium is a mixture of coir/verm/perlite and dats it. Coir seems to really favor roots, and I think we're gonna want a big ass root system here, so that's why coir was chosen. Along with roots, I want seeds, more seeds to spread around here to friends at topia and to play with. :headbang: So that will also be a goal.

Fert mix is a very mild solution of Canna's coco ferts and Earth Juice's Microblast. Coco mixed in at 3ml per 2 liters and EJ Microblast at a rate of 1ml per 2 liters. This will be adjusted as needed, etc. Might even be a bit much for them now.

New growth is starting off nice and with a redish hint and then turning green. Also, when darkness falls, the leaves sorta curl up/in a bit. Will have to get pics of those soon too.


Sorry for some of the blurry pics, my camera was not cooperating. Will keep the good pics/updates coming though. No worries. :pirate:

I would say they are almost 2 weeks old.

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#2 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:26 PM

neat project ddd,
those plants look neat, almost a fern style leaf,
I didn't read the site yet, but before i go into the questions Ill read the link. bbl for that.
cool pics

#3 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 01:02 AM

neat project ddd,
those plants look neat, almost a fern style leaf,
I didn't read the site yet, but before i go into the questions Ill read the link. bbl for that.
cool pics


Yeah, he's got some good info and pics, I didn't want to go "stealing it" so just linked it.

#4 shobimono

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:49 AM

Cool :headbang:

Keep us posted.

#5 mycobri

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 10:13 AM

go doob! :bow:

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room:lol:

looking good :eusa_clap
the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus

#6 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 05:09 PM

go doob! :bow:

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room:lol:

looking good :eusa_clap
the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus


Supposedly the leptolobus is a lil diff than the illinoensis... at least according to that troutsnotes site... Will see how they do. Thanks for the best wishes bri ;)

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:36 PM

Coming along nicely... :thumbup:
Camera still giving my blurry pics... :thumbdown:

lol

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172639193

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 09:31 PM

go doob! :bow:

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room:lol:

looking good :eusa_clap
the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus

Mycobri. I hope you haven't chucked those plants out yet. :eusa_pray
D. leptolobus dies back to the rootstock during the colder months, only to come back stronger than ever come spring. :loveeyes:

#9 mycobri

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 09:37 PM

oh good. there still in there pots outside
planning on joining DDD and starting several dozen more desmanthus i. soon. :)

#10 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 01:37 AM

More updates, pics from March 1st, 2007. Camera still being a lil off. The last pic is ok though.


Looking nice, starting to get extra side growth now already.

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172819188





I saw this on one early one, the leaves on a shoot were all falling off. And then I saw it today on this one. You can see it right in the middle on the right. Not sure what is causing it, or if it's normal. But, worth mentioning.

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1172817294

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 07:30 PM

http://www.entheobib...-Desmanthus.htm

sells trout's book on cultivation of Desmanthus (I have this book). In another month it will be seedling starting time where I live, so your pictures inspire me muchly. BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:20 PM

http://www.entheobib...-Desmanthus.htm
sells trout's book on cultivation of Desmanthus (I have this book). In another month it will be seedling starting time where I live, so your pictures inspire me muchly. BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.


So what percentage was that? 1000g in a kilo... who's good at math? :)

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 02:29 PM

150 out of 1,000,000 equals to what 0.015%? Something like that.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:57 PM

Are you kidding me?! Those friggin weeds have DMT in them? I see that stuff growing ALL over.

Are there lookalikes that are nonactive as well? They also look very similar to those plants whose leaves close up when you touch them.

This is positively great news! Actually, after further thought, I've seen pics of mimosa hostilis as well. They look similar, so I shouldn't be so shocked. I just never put two and two together.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:08 PM

Are you kidding me?! Those friggin weeds have DMT in them? I see that stuff growing ALL over.
Are there lookalikes that are nonactive as well? They also look very similar to those plants whose leaves close up when you touch them.


I'm sure there are some lookalikes and similar, no idea about what's in what though... The DMT in these is found in the roots. And yup, they are probably all over like you said, fields and fields of worthless weeds... oh wait, they're not so worthless after all. :headbang:

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:19 PM

Wikipedia says some stuff about 'desmanthus'. Not much though really. Click the link and it'll take you there. This is a snippet from it:

"Desmanthus is a genus of about 24 species of herbs and shrubs and is sometimes described as being suffruiticose. It is in the subfamily Mimosoideae of the legume family Fabaceae, with bipinnate leaves. Desmanthus is closely related to Leucaena and in appearance is similar to Neptunia. Like Mimosa and Neptunia, Desmanthus folds its leaves in the evening. It is native to Mexico and North, Central and South America."

What it says about folding it's leaves in the evening is true. From what I have seen so far, it does not like you messing with it's light cycles very much. Going from light to dark too quick and too often really messes em up and causes a lot of the lil tiny round leaves to fall off.

Also, they were not liking the super bright light so were brought back to the floros are actually rather far, but are growing far better and quicker since. Been getting busy with some other things here and there so I have to make sure I put some time in on these babies ;)

I'll get some updates (pictures) up later tonight if I can.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 08:00 PM

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 10:31 PM

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?


Nope, but probably something very similar.

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 12:32 AM

As promised, some picture updates. 2 plants looking pretty nice all and all. The others, you can see what I mean about the stress and the lil leaves falling off. ;) But, they are still kicking with healthy new top growth so all is well.. soon as it's warm with no more frost they head to the outdoors.



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So, not super doobyish just yet, a lil embarrassing those couple are, but things happen. heh Had to share so you can see what I mean with those leaves falling off... We'll get these babies looking good though, no worries. :rasta:

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 01:58 AM

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?


Ummm... maybe a sensitive plant?
Mimosa pudica



Like Mimosa and Neptunia, Desmanthus folds its leaves in the evening.

What it says about folding it's leaves in the evening is true. From what I have seen so far, it does not like you messing with it's light cycles very much. Going from light to dark too quick and too often really messes em up and causes a lot of the lil tiny round leaves to fall off.


My Acacia obtusifolia does this also. I grew it though the winter as a seedling, now looking slightly similar to your earlier pics. It is just coming out of the seedling stage and is getting it's first long leaves.




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