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#1 Junked

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 10:32 PM

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#16 with the rice is actually more white than #14 the first popcorn... Autowhite balance makes everything average to 18% grey after all...
A little bit of concern presents itself with #15 if its cobweb or not since it is a bit grey but it still has the same kind of mycelia structure... What do you think?

All of these are simply small ziplock sandwich bags, some double bagged (this works best) and duct taped to hell and back. There is some polyfill as a vent where the zip part is. The whole rice is single bagged but they are placed in a large oven bag and sealed off just as an experiment... Since they are almost finished it seems they had plenty of air to work with :) This is approximately day 18 after multispore. Each bag has approximately 1/2 pint of volume. One bag contains pure popcorn which was completely sealed until today when the aluminum foil that covered the polyfill vent was removed. This colonized to approximately 65% and is significantly behind the rest that have been pictured. All of the bags were fractionally sterilized for 1.5-2 hours the first 2 times and 3 hours the 3rd day.

The tupperware was simply triple rinsed popcorn (the first rinse involved a 5 minute soak in a moderate strength bleach solution) that was loaded up in a liberal quantity of water and kept at a rolling boil for approximately 45 minutes after which most of the kernels split. The tupperware was prepared with a few spoonfulls of dry vermiculite at the bottom and the still hot, not rinsed or dried popcorn (just drained until it was no longer dripping) was dumped in. More dry vermiculite was poured around the edges of the container and a clean spoon was used to help position the vermiculite down the sides of the container to help combat potential moisture issues. A medium sized hole was cut in the top and not stuffed with polyfill. The container holds approximately 1.1-1.2 quarts of popcorn. The container was then put in the microwave and allowed to come to a boil (you can tell because after you stop the microwave there is a hot steam jet coming from the hole) After boiling with 1-2 minute on/off cycles for ~15-20 minutes (the microwave didn't have adjustable power, experimenting with 40-70% might be a good idea depending on the output of the microwave for 1.2 quarts). Given that the substrate was heated directly and steam would have permeated the entire substrate as well it seems like a worthy experiment... While the container was still steaming the polyfill patch was added /w ductape.
WARNING: high velocity moderate pressure 100-105C STEAM BURNS HURT!
Be smart about this. Even duct tape doesn't like to stand up against this steam it curls up nicely. Have more strips of duct tape ready to go.

Hopefully this works... We will have to see though. After cooling overnight the container was inoculated with 10cc of brazillian LC both down into the corn in a hefty quantity (4-5CC) and squirted at the sides of the container to hopefully accelerate growth.

More traditional fractionally sterilized whole rice in ball pint jars to come though when time permits.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 10:55 PM

Jar number 15 is really hard to seen in that pic, most of the time cobweb is mistaken for mycelia intill the cake/case is fruited anyway. Then it shows its uglyface. The oven bag w/ whole rice sealed isnt a good idea. The bags really need FAE to be sucessful. You say the popcorn is behind, I would say most likely because it was covered with the foil. Now thats removed it should take off. Also I dont recomend Fractional sterilization of Pcorn. Mabey its just me, but I wouldnt attempt a whole kernal grain w/o a PC. Hope this helps. -Snake

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 11:13 PM

Best of luck Junked. Good to see your progress. :eusa_clap

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:52 AM

had fun talkin cheese with you in chat lol! good luck with your projects!

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 01:18 PM

:) Thanks for the feedback :bow:

Everything will sit over the weekend and come next week it will be time to whip up a mix of coir/verm -- there is some push to go for worm casings but I'm not sure if FOAF will go that route the first time... and go at the colonized cakes. I'm sure there will be an update at that point :eusa_danc

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 01:23 PM

Y'all built a fruiting chamber?

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Posted 02 April 2007 - 11:51 PM

Y'all built a fruiting chamber?


Just baking pans with the tall plastic lids... if this crazy experiment works though there are 2 18.25 gallon tupperwares on hand... Fanning should do the trick but the funds could appear to automate it. The entire closet is kept at the desired temps :)

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 02:20 AM

So far so good... Though one bit of information FOAF would like to share with the community...
The bag in pic 26 was picked up day 2/3... maybe 4 to look at it more closely...
The bag in pic 27 was never picked up and look at the extra growth! All this goes to say LEAVE THEM ALONE... "I doubt there’s as much impact in rigid structures like jars but still it is something to keep in mind... I guess they aren't very social as children."

Day 6 and the crazy experiment is still kicking... no nasties so far but ya never know... Some whole rice based jars are done from the fractional sterilization now but they might have been dried out a bit in the process...<o =""></o>

The little baggie is just a nice knot that formed on one of the rice cakes that is currently colonizing the casing in the sterilite tupperwares that stuck to the bag on removal that was especially healthy... So it was placed in the coir/verm casing material in open air. Might be worthy isolate material and there was no harm in seeing if the coir/verm would be OK in open air like that...

Moving along!!! :amazed:

Edit: PS. Condencation is bad but it was 80 in there and it got cold so the temps dropped to 70 for awhile... no avoiding that meh! Hopefully it will not matter for FOAF.

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 01:18 AM

Well the crazy no-pc microwave experiment is pretty much colonized, only a few kernels are still loose and rolling on the top. Regardless it will have to sit a few more days as FOAF is busy...
There are a few pins on one of the cased cakes that was birthed and the other is a bit behind but trying. :amazed:
2 pics of the same cake
the other cake
2:1 coir/verm : pcorn
1:1 coir/verm : pcorn (recently added the other 1 portion of pcorn so it needs to recover...)
Pcorn in the microwave
BrownRice/karoLC
Coir/verm/wholeBrownRice mix
WholeBrownRice
Another shot...

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 02:18 AM

So there was just a bit of bleach in the tupperware container -- or it could have been the plastic smell.... so FOAF's pins blued nicely the other day after 4-5 hours of exposure :(

He will never use bleach again!

Here are some pics after they have recovered a bit and there are about.... a TON of new pins on one cake and the other cake has sprouted its first pins...
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Likely a day or 2 setback but its OK...

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Posted 22 April 2007 - 12:33 AM

O.o See the pics.
This was left alone for a few days and look what happened! :amazed:

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 03:00 AM

yep...
That big ass thick casing is coir/verm 60/40 ~1-1.5", pcorn ~1.5", coir/verm60/40 .5-.75", slightly damp verm .5" (on top)... with the CRAZY POPCORN EXPERIMENT

The pins are the 50pcorn/35coir/balanceverm mixed up (not layered cause FOAF messed up... mabie... who knows...)

Those other 2 lil cakes are verm cased rice... FOAF LOVE RICE... FOAF dunno about verm yet... lets see

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 12:38 PM

The first wet pic was all off one cake, and there were still a few left that FOAF was debating on seeing if they would grow some... they wouldn't
FOAF also just picked the other puney fruiting cake and the aborts, poured water on the cakes and let it absorb mostly through the lower case and is waiting for another flush...

No scale or the weight would be posted... :headbang:

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 12:56 PM

Congrats bro - so happy for ya! :headbang:

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 02:38 PM

Just saw FOAF doin flips over here :bow: "thanks to everyone that came before me!" -- FOAF

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 02:48 PM

Nice fruit Junked !

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 12:54 AM

Current pics ;)

New casings all verm cause of lazy effect... Didn't microwave even though the verm bag is open... hopefully its ok since FOAF shut it fast when working with it... Also the vermiculite is well above field capacity... if one squoze it, it would have drained alot... but there are cracks in the top casing for the new casing and just a bottom casing in the cake cut in half so it won't sufficate. Also there are drainage holes on the bottom so there won't be stagnant water. This will enable direct watering of the casings after flushes instead of dunking with hopefully most of the effect...

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 04:46 PM

Still not poking through the casing on the crazy corn...
The Big un is like 5" tall or so???
If anyone can... turn the pictures the right way, that would be AWESOME of you! :bow:

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 10:25 PM

Well tried to edit in pics... but no go so...

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 12:46 AM

Did you print that big one?




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