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#21 synth

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 01:06 PM

yeah, swirl it a lot.. and you really have to wait a good while for good results
[without using more than you need to which can result in lower yield].
the regular gravel kind is what i use, fish/aquarium section of the petstore.
it comes in a waxed cardboard milk/OJ carton sort of container.
by the time you are done, it should not be yellow -- it should be clear,
or perhaps gray because of the carbon floating in it.
after filtering, it should be crystal clear.
make sure you heat your solvent up really well, perhaps to the point of boiling,
and swirl it around a lot to get all the dmt dissolved before you filter.
i also did this a few times before that, just for the carbon treatment.
it may have helped, shrug.

my filterpaper brand is 'double rings', 9cm dia., #102 qualitative [speed: medium,
retention: crystalline, ash: 0.15%]

just get whatever, it should be ok.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

like that for example.

good luck.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 05:06 PM

instead of using VM&P naptha, i go to CVS and buy the yellow bottles of Ronsonol Lighter fluid. it doesnt have HALF the fumage as vmp and the results have been pretty damn pure even w/out washing! the fumes arent very strong w Ronsono, i just open a window.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 05:33 PM

instead of using VM&P naptha, i go to CVS and buy the yellow bottles of Ronsonol Lighter fluid. it doesnt have HALF the fumage as vmp and the results have been pretty damn pure even w/out washing! the fumes arent very strong w Ronsono, i just open a window.


It would be great to see some pics of this result?
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Posted 15 April 2007 - 06:45 PM

I was under the impression that Ronsonol is a fairly dirty product.
Have you done an evaporation test?

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 06:47 PM

Ronsonol Lighter fluid... doesnt have HALF the fumage as vmp and the results have been pretty damn pure even w/out washing! the fumes arent very strong w Ronsono, i just open a window.


FOAF used both and found no perceivable difference between the two.

I would not recommend that anyone work with naphtha for long periods of time with so little ventilation as an open window.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:19 PM

The ingredient list for both look pretty similar - except for the BENZENE which only appears on the Ronsonol MSDS.

As you see, I found two differently formatted copies. The second two are formatted more nicely. Both show benzene (or ethylbenzene) on the Ronsonol page, but not on the Kleanstrip brand.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 12:59 AM

hey doc, how's your cleaning op working out?

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 04:52 PM

hey doc, how's your cleaning op working out?


Ehh... not so good. To be fair, it's my friend's friend's cleaning op, not mine. I'm relaying information the best I can, but he's kind of an idiot so I'm not surprised he's had problems. He's still waiting for those filters to show up.

On top of that, he experimented with different ways of separating out the carbon from his solvent. Of course, coffee filters don't work as they have holes big enough to see through. But he did have one bright idea, a real eureka moment:

Water weighs more than naphtha. So if he pours water into a jar containing his naphtha, the water will pool on the bottom of the jar. He could pour water into the jar until the naphtha layer floats near the top of the jar. The bits of carbon should collect in the water, then he can suck off the solvent at will. So, he tried it, and it did work as expected. Except many of the smaller bits of carbon powder floated on top of the water layer. He had to be super careful about siphoning off too much of the naphtha layer. He turkey basted as much of the top layer off as he could, but inadvertently sucked out some water/carbon powder as well.

So the idea worked partially, but his execution of it was flawed. To top it off, when he evaporated what he had, the results were odd. The solvent appeared very clear. But the DMT still came out yellow. It has a runnier texture than before, as if some of the fattier oils were removed. It's sticky, somewhat runny, and grainy, but not soapy or waxy. (I'll provide pictures in a moment)

I believe he might have lost a lot of DMT as well, unless it's still in the other half of solvent left in the jar. I know leaving the carbon in the solvent for so long affected his yield. It's okay though, FOAF chalks this up as a learning experience. He still has 128g of MHRB left, so hopefully the next one will be better.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:01 PM

carbon cleaning is a huge pain in the ass...instead of carbon just re-xtal or at least ammonia wash

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:45 PM

eeeep.. good look to your friend, Dr.

carbon cleaning is a huge pain in the ass...instead of carbon just re-xtal or at least ammonia wash


dunno what you're talking about, dude. after trying them all, its the easiest
cleanup i know.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 06:52 PM

Well I guess I'd just rather re-xtal very slowly to get crystals instead of powder

Its just as easy to pipette the oily crap out of the bottom of the hot naptha than to do charcoal and filter

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:17 PM

FOAF finally got his filter paper... now how does he USE them? How does he use them to strain, without his solvent overflowing?

I've been trying to locate pics in the vaults to demonstrate, with no luck.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:27 PM

Hey D, do you have a buchner funnel with a flask?
If so you will also need a good women or a pump to suck the liquid through the filter.

I've used a vacuum and a hose in a pinch.lol for the buchner funnel that is.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:38 PM

Hey D, do you have a buchner funnel?


What is a buchner funnel? FOAF doesn't have a laboratory, he just has a kitchen and jars.

If so you will also need a good women or a pump to suck the liquid through the filter.
I've used a vacuum and a hose in a pinch.lol for the buchner funnel that is.

lol!

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 06:53 PM

Okay, so I looked up a Buchner funnel, and now know what one is. But my friend certainly has nothing like that.

About all he has is a metal coffee filter or a regular plastic funnel for engine oil. But in either case, he'd have to crumple or fold the filter paper funny in order to fit inside.

He also tested out one of his filters, and found that water will not drip out through the bottom of the filter paper without him rubbing the underside of the filter (and cooing softly) to allow the water to drip through (break the surface tension maybe?). Not sure if naphtha will act the same.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 07:23 PM

Golly has a home made funnel you can make.
I never said you had a lab, but with those filters
you must create a vacuum to suck the fluid through. brb with that link for ya dude.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 07:24 PM

as promised, here ya go.
Give this a try D.

http://mycotopia.net...ead.php?t=15225

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 06:42 PM

for this, there is no need to do vacuum filtration.
gravity filtration is just fine.

grab a funnel and do this:
fold the paper in half, and then in half again so that it is in quarters.
then open it into a funnel. one half of the surface area of the resulting
cone will have one layer while the other half will consist of the remaining
3/4 of the filter [3 layers]. this is a pretty standard way to fold paper
and is nice because you can kinda jam it into the more narrow part
of a funnel depending on what kind of funnel you have.

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1177546954

i'd jam one of those into there if applicable, and then go ahead and make
a fluted paper and drop it on top of the other paper:
fold into quarters as before, but now unfold once so it is a semicircle with a crease
down the middle.
fold up to the crease now with both sides so that you have it in 8ths, then
make the remaining folds so that it is in 16ths. you should be be left with
one skinny pie wedge [16th] that is a bit like an accordion.
now, unfold it and you have a fluted paper.

http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1177546954

bleh, i actually just found a site that explains it pretty well:

http://orgchem.color...filtration.html

anyways, fluted performs a bit better than the standard fold,
i like to drip it into the fluted paper with a pasteur pipette w/ bulb,
and if i miss or if it overflows a bit it will get caught by the regular paper
that's jammed snug into the neck part.
[you don't need a pipette, you can just pour slowly]

g'luck

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:02 PM

Aha! That's what FOAF was looking for, a way to fold the paper to fit inside a regular funnel. Perfect! Thanks.

The ghetto vacuum filter setup will come in handy should he need to do something like that, but he's not dealing with a ton of filter-clogging sediment, just a few specks of dust he need to remove.

Thanks!

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:04 PM

as promised, here ya go.
Give this a try D.

http://mycotopia.net...ead.php?t=15225


This is a good idea, but it's overkill for what he needs right now. I might need this in the future though, so I'm glad you alerted me to it. Thanks CM




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