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[panic]

ive been growing torches from bbb in my kitchen window for a few years now and they got tall but stayed skinny, anyway, it was time to cut them, so i did.
now i need to know about how much in weight, both wet and dried for a good trip. not freakout dose, as my wife will prolly do this w/ me, and i would like to do it again. lol also, about how long does the trip last?

[condo_pygmy]

waylitjim has your answer:
http://mycotopia.net...75&postcount=10

{one good dose per foot of fresh cactus}

[rocketman]

40g dry (rind only) not the white stuff or the core.

[johncactus]

Here’s a list of the different varieties and their known characteristics. Everything in this chart is gleaned from experience - I didn't pull this out of my ass. Potency is on a scale from 1 to 10. 10 is a summer peyote button and 1 is a tall glass of cold water.

Name

Description

Characteristics

Potency

T. peruvianus ‘Tarma’
Light green body. Long, heavy thorns up to 2” when mature.
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Average
5
T. peruvianus ‘blue’
Bluish green body. Short thorns.
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Above average
6
T. peruvianus ‘Ancash’
Light green body. Long thorns up to 1.5” long when mature.
Very hardy, slow grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Average
5
T. peruvianus ‘Euro’
(seeds came from Malta, origin of plant unknown)
Dark green body, Long thorns when mature.
Very hardy, fast grower. Susceptible to frost and cold damage. Does not ship well during winter dormancy.
Unknown
T. peruvianus ‘427’
Green body. Long thin thorns.
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Unknown
T. pachanoi ‘common Backburgia’
Green body. Nearly spineless
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Above average
6
T. pachanoi ‘Spiny’
Green body. Thorns about .25”
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Above average
7
T. bridgesii
Green slender body. Long thin thorns. Sparse along the rib.
Very hardy, fast grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Very good
9
T. terscheckii
Green stout body, Long curved golden spines.
Very hardy, slow grower. Seems to resist frost and cold damage very well.
Above average
7-8
** Potency -- Potency is a tricky subject with mescaline bearing cacti. Potency can vary from season to season. During dormancy in the winter season, (Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar), potency is low in all cactuses that I know of. Potency returns in April, and remains high until cold weather occurs in October. June, July and August are the best months to enjoy both Lophos and Trichs. I'm not sure that stress is a factor, but if it is I don't think that one can increase potency by not watering. Cactuses are designed to handle dry spells, and that really doesn't stress them much at all. Cutting of the top four inches or so, and leaving the rest of the plant growing on its own roots for a couple of weeks is obviously very stressful. This seems to be effective, but that can be very hard to determine. It is difficult to be analytical, when under the influence. Seed grown cactuses have little or no potency until they are 5 years old.
Mescaline has a melting point of 180 degrees F. If one does some type of preparation that exceeds 180 F, some mescaline will be lost, but it's hard to say how much. It's best to stay below 180F. That can be determined with a simple, cheap kitchen thermometer. Preparation with food safe products like lemon juice or vinegar will work just fine. They both contain more than enough acid to separate the Mescaline from the plant material. (lemon juice tastes better)

Good Luck And Good Night

John A. Howard II

[johncactus]

Simple Cactus Tea

• Dethorn the cactus if it has any thorns. T. pachanoi and L. williamsii have no thorns, but some types of T. peruvianus have thorns almost 2 inches long. A small pair of hand held pruning shears will suffice. Cut off the thorns as close to the skin as you can. It’s not a big deal, but it makes the material much easier to deal with.

• Chop the cactus into small pieces. With cereous types you can cut it into slices that look like stars, and then chop the stars into 3 or 4 pieces, depending on the diameter. If the center is extremely woody then chop around it, and set it aside.

• Place the slices into a blender, and chop until they are fairly small. You don’t have to grind them into soup, but the finer the better. I used a juicer for this, and it worked just fine. I used a US Marine Corp K-bar for this and it worked just fine too.

• Throw the chopped up mixture in a stainless steel pot (acid eats regular steel), with water (1 cup or so), and 2 cups of lemon or lime juice. Let this mixture soak over night. 24 hours is best, but 12 hours is ok. Cook for 5 hours or so at a low heat. Mescaline has a ‘melting’ point of 180 degrees F. A rolling boil is excessive and unnecessary. Pour the mixture through a strainer. Put the mash back in the pot, and add more water. Simmer a second time for an hour or 2. Strain the mixture again and throw the mash away.

• Put all the liquid back in the pot and simmer until most of the liquid evaporates. Reduce it to an amount that you feel comfortable drinking. I usually reduce it to 50ml. That’s about half of a small ball jar.

• Toss that down and enjoy.

• An important caveat. You don’t need to buy or use anything expensive. I always use what’s around the house. If I really need something I get it from Wal-Mart. Lemon juice is $1.00 a quart at the discount grocery store near my house. The very best source of acid is hydrochloric acid. It is sold as muriatic acid at Lowes or Home Depot. It’s about $3.00 a gallon. I use a tablespoon per batch. A gallon lasts forever.

• Have fun!!!!

[johncactus]

How's it going Rocketman?

[Hippie3]

that 1 foot rule
assumes thickness about minimum of 2-3 inches.
i go by arm size,
a decent dose
for you
fresh
will be about the size of your forearm.
the bigger you are,
the bigger your arm
and thus a bigger dose.
works for me.

thx for posting/sharing that, john.
:bow:

[condo_pygmy]

There's also an alcohol extraction which will produce mesc tar:

-Soak the powdered cactus in a strong alcohol such as Everclear (190proof). Use just enough to cover the powder plus an inch or more in a jar that you can shake up.

-Shake it periodically throughout the day. Every 24 hrs drain off the alcohol and set it aside. Continue this process untill the color is no longer changing, and it pours off clear.

-Combine the alcohol extractions into a small crockpot and simmer down the volume to concentrate, then pour into a pyrex dish, use low heat & a fan to evaporate, You're now left with a thick tar substance that contains the all the alkaloids.

-Always remember your starting dry weight to better be able to judge your doses from the finished product. Example: 100 dry grams is enough for two people. 50 grams is a good dose for one trip.

This alcohol tek basically produces freebase mescaline. When it hits your stomach, though, it forms mescaline hcl by combining with all of the natural hydrochloric acid in you stomach. The reason for the alcohol extraction technique is simplicity, not efficiency. It's super easy and virtually foolproof.

[condo_pygmy]

On a side note; you may be able to freeze the alcohol extraction rather than simmer down, this way you save your expensive "Ever Clear".
i have yet to try this, nor have i read any details for this freezer mesc tek.

[Hippie3]

everclear / grain alcohol 180-190 proof [90-95% ethanol]
won't freeze in your typical freezer...
but one could build a reflux device
to recapture the ethanol as it boils off
see
http://archives.myco.../42.html#POST66

[condo_pygmy]

Hippie3, wouldn't the alkaloids fallout of the alcohol & freeze leaving the alcohol seperated > pored off & saved...:eusa_thin

[rocketman]

hey John, good to see you around :bow:

[Hippie3]

Hippie3, wouldn't the alkaloids fallout of the alcohol & freeze leaving the alcohol seperated > pored off & saved...:eusa_thin

ah, i thought you meant
freeze the alcohol hence my reply.
i just showed another way to remove & save the ethanol
something i've used before on THC extracts.

[condo_pygmy]

Thanx for the feedback Hip3, i'm going to give the mesc tar a go...:cacti:

[panic]

thanx guys! gonna try the simple tea.