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#21 python

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 10:42 AM

nice pictorial LaZ!

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 05:33 PM

Every time I try to make WBS without a 24 hour presoak I have gotten 100% contamination.

Every time I pre soaked the grain I had a 100% success rate.

So, in my situation, your tech leads to failure.

That's what I like about this hobby, it's very case sensitive.

Before someone pulls the, "there are so many variables card" , I used sound experimental protocal, with a control group, etc.

#23 Lazlo

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 10:22 AM

Floppypeter, I think your problems came from an operator error rather than a short soaking.

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 11:21 PM

What about removing the bird-cote? Or does all of it come off with the rinse?
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#25 Sunstar

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:50 AM

I noticed there are broken pieces of corn in there.
Do those ever give you troubles?
The reason I asked is that in the past when I used broken corn pieces I would get wet spots
but then again I didnt use the soak tek.
I just added the water and then pc'd
I havnt used WBS for a long time but after seeing this I think I may give it anouther whirl.
Thanks Lazlo

#26 Lazlo

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:33 AM

Don't worry with the cracked corn or bird coating. Neither do any harm at all.

#27 Birdman

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:09 PM

Any idea on cooking time with out a pressure cooker?

#28 Lazlo

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:15 PM

You can't do whole grain without a pressure cooker unless you try Reverand Trips "antibacterial soap" trick for them.

#29 Lazlo

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:18 PM

Reverand's Grain trick with soap


Edited by Sidestreet, 08 October 2016 - 09:08 AM.


#30 LotRev

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:24 PM

Any idea on cooking time with out a pressure cooker?



With wild bird seed? There is no time.
If you want to use wbs, you've got to
get a cooker.

#31 Lazlo

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:40 PM

lazlo

between the:
"Anywhere from 1-3 hours later, the seed will have swelled up above the water line"

and:

"the time it takes to do that isn't near enough to put the seed at maximum water holding capacity... because the rinse and short drain time will add more water to it while it's being cooked. "

am i missing something.
you don't state how long you cook for,or are you referring to the pc run.
are you saying that just rinsing will add more water to the grain?

been doing the same, apart from the soaking for 1-3 hours. i bring to the boil,reduce the heat to the lowest setting (pasteurising temps) for ~45 minuites,or...untill the wheat berries have the texture of bread dough when squeezed between the fingers.
then drip dry for a while and blow dry the grains untill they don't stick to your fingers.

tried the added gypsum part for the first time today,looking forward to the results.


Shit, sorry. I didn't see your questions.

The 1-3 hours it takes for the seed to swell up isn't enough to put the seed at full water holding capacity. Then after the colander isn't dripping ANY water from below while being shook (usually 15-30 minutes), mix all of the seed up well so all of the seeds get an even amount of moisture. The seeds on the top of the pile will be dryer than the seeds on the bottom of the pile from sitting and draining. Then load up your jars and pc for 105 minutes @ 15psi. The excess moisture that was coating the seeds gets cooked in to them during the pc run. The seed comes out perfect every single time! Just like everything else, you may need a time or 2 to get it right. But if you follow my easy directions, you should easily have success on your first run. I wouldn't do wbs any other way now. No way.

#32 sporocap

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:07 PM

SO......how are these then cased? How are they inoculated? Spores? How many CC's?

#33 Lazlo

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:48 PM

I don't case grain anymore.

You want to use 1-2cc's of spores or liquid culture.

#34 CatatonicBliss

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 11:26 PM

Cool! going to give this a shot tomorrow.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 06:54 PM

Tried this tek and already had signs of growth 3 days after innoculation. nice quick and easy tek thanks!:pirate:

#36 greenweanie

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 07:49 PM

yeah, this tek works awesome. i dont use the lime or gypsum, but i can vouch that i havent had bad jars from this tek.

#37 fedshtkpndrk

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 07:59 PM

***Archive Material***

This is by far my favorite grain and tek :bow:

-feds



#38 tobynutz

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 03:19 AM

i shall give this a try. every time i tried wbs before i got nasty mush in the jar that wouldnt colonize lol. now im having starchy build up on my popcorn bags, well at least some of them. there must be a better way, maybe this is it. i will let you guys know.

#39 Toads tool

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 10:37 AM

I've used lime soaks in other projects with good success.
I've never tried it with WBS.

I've got an extra Hillbilly syringe with this tech's name written all over it.
:hookah:

#40 Hippie3

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 11:34 AM

archive material .




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