issues with ayahuasca
Posted 11 June 2007 - 07:32 AM
Anyhow, i'd like to see if i can find some answers first:
When i bought my materials, I opted for the cheaper syrian rue and mimosa hostilis instead of caapi and virola. I have heard this combination is a little more nauseating than normal, but i can deal with that. I'm broke right now and cant get the better plant materials right now, and still have lots of stuff laying around. Well, I've tried a long slow simmer, full boil, and now, a cold water extraction, that i forgot i put in the fridge quite a few months back. all the treatments were just performed to the rootbark, not the seeds, i usually grind and encapsulate those and swallow them at least 30 minutes prior to drinking.
my first experience did nothing for me. i believe it was because i couldn't hold enough down before vomiting it up. My second experience seemed like It was going to go somewhere but I never took off. I ended up reminding myself i was lucky i had a trashcan in the bathroom for I purged out both ends for more than 10 minutes. I felt like a newborn when i finshed, but there was no trip whatsover.
Now i have 50 grams (originally planned for 2-3 people) of finely shredded bark thats been in the fridge, soaking in water, for a very long time. i forgot about it. the sludge has all settled in a nice brick in the bottom of the pint jar, with about 2 cm's of very dark purple red water on top.
Am I doing the wrong thing with my seeds by eating them instead of brewing together? i think i did it one of the first times that way and it resulted in the most nausea that didn't end with a good feeling. just an overall bad experience. I've tried ranging my seed dose. I started at 1-1.5 grams, and eventually worked my way up to over 3.5-4. I've heard going too high gets rather unpleasant and shouldn't be needed for inhibition. I've ranged my bark doses from 8-12g to start and i think i stopped at 16 but was planning on 20g for the cold water one i forgot about.
Is my sealed refrigerated jar thats possibly been sitting 6 months still active? or do you think the age is too old in that state. it still looks like the day i made it, just a lot more settled. but nothing weird has grown in it or anything like that. i constantly shook it for the first week and then it made its way behind something and there it sat til i moved.
Thanks for helping me to my next voyage... if i get good answers i'm hoping to taste this again tonight.
oh yeah. a little more info. when i take syrian rue with mushrooms i get about double the nausea, and only a hair of a stronger trip, even on 4-5 grams of seeds, whereas my gf will rocket into ego loss with 2g of seeds. i understand everyone is different, but are there some people this stuff simply might not safely work for?
Posted 11 June 2007 - 09:36 AM
you do grind the rue seeds up yes ? not taking whole ?
Posted 11 June 2007 - 10:14 AM
Posted 11 June 2007 - 10:59 AM
yep. i grind em. whats the max dose of those youd recommend working up to?
Posted 11 June 2007 - 11:29 AM
and thanks for the dose recommendation. its been a while since i've done anything with the seeds but i was pretty sure i was getting to that point with ground seeds. i imagine an extract would be pretty foolproof though so i think i'm going to try that route.
looks like it wont be tonight though :( has to sit 24 hours. next night off is friday... i'll go ahead and strain out the mush of the rootbark fluid and boil whats left a bit to make sure its clean. sounds like i'll be avoiding nausea quite a bit with the rue extract so even if things dont work out as planned at least i wont spend the evening in bathroom all night (hopefully)
Posted 11 June 2007 - 02:14 PM
thanks for the extract tek. i've seen a few around here, but thats nice n clear. swimming pool chemicals for hcl right?
Yeah you can get Muratic acid (30% HCl) at any hardware store...:thumbup:
Posted 11 June 2007 - 04:08 PM
note : 3 grams of rue brewed and filtered was used 30 minutes before the jurema and a FOAF had given up on it with just minimal effects after 45 minutes. In total it was 2 hours and 20 minutes before the sleeping dragon woke up to his amazement, terror ,love and later respect.