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#1 DJTetsu

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 05:57 PM

Well for the ease of understanding the instructions, I'm thinking of doing the straight to base tek:

http://mycotopia.net...ead.php?t=18449

I think I've got most of the stuff... My first question is how fine is good enough when preparing the MHRB? The thread mentions a cup of finely shredded MHRB so... a little bit more than these pics good ?

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#2 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:03 PM

I like it where its mostly dust and fibers.
Yours still has large pieces of root in there,
so yeah, a bit more. Don't worry about larger
pieces of fiber, just the harder, chunky, root pieces.
One of the most important things is the ph when you start the soak.

never mind about the ph I guess, that tek doesn't require it...

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:08 PM

That should be fine with the straight to base tek. The lye water will break down those bigger chunks within a couple of hours.

Good luck!

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:49 PM

I like it where its mostly dust and fibers.
Yours still has large pieces of root in there,
so yeah, a bit more. Don't worry about larger
pieces of fiber, just the harder, chunky, root pieces.
One of the most important things is the ph when you start the soak.

never mind about the ph I guess, that tek doesn't require it...


What should the PH be when starting a soak? I've just been cooking it up in regular water for 45-60min then straining. The last time I dropped the PH somewhat using some PH adjusting stuff to see though. After this I bring the PH way back up and then the naphtha pulls. I wasn't aware there was a good target ph range for that initial cook... in fact, someone told me NOT to use any vinegar the first time cuz the bark itself would alter the ph enough and it would take a lot more lye...

so, what should that soaking PH be, and for how long?

#5 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:58 PM

I use this tek and modify it just a tad, to make it more feasible for me..:)

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 07:07 PM

Wow, that is nicely written CM. Mycotopia needs a copy of that!

#7 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 07:18 PM

Ok, Like this...

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 08:51 PM

I use this tek and modify it just a tad, to make it more feasible for me..:)


wow, they seem to defat it b4 going basic in that tek... interesting...

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:00 PM

Wow, so what I learned from that CM is that the naphtha won't pull the dmt out until the solution is basic. If it's still acidic it will pull fats/oils out... a defatting process. Then basify, and pull out the dmt with the naphtha then. Very interesting.

Also, it mentions that heat destroys the dmt... I didn't know this and was nearly boiling my bark brew up when making it... Going to have to try to keep this lower now...


Good link CM. Thanks!

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:07 PM

yeah, I read the thing like 5 times before I tried it and still had a copy on a table when I did it, I also had Marsfold's tek open too...kinda put em together in a way...good stuff for sure. I'm glad yall like it.
Thats why I feel that the ph is so important. Many researches has suggested that the number one failure is ph problems, and I believe he states in that write up.

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:35 PM

yeah, I read the thing like 5 times before I tried it and still had a copy on a table when I did it, I also had Marsfold's tek open too...kinda put em together in a way...good stuff for sure. I'm glad yall like it.
Thats why I feel that the ph is so important. Many researches has suggested that the number one failure is ph problems, and I believe he states in that write up.


DJ, sorry for hopping all over your thread ;)


So, do you do that defatting step on it b4 doing basification and the naphtha pulls also?

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 09:57 PM

yeah, its sorda two extrations.
If your goin to defat you have to
do it before you basifiy it. after you basified it
dmt will leave and follow the naptha

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 02:02 AM

yeah, its sorda two extrations.
If your goin to defat you have to
do it before you basifiy it. after you basified it
dmt will leave and follow the naptha


So if the brew is acidic, the naphtha will leave the DMT and pull out oils and fats. After you make it basic, it will pull out the DMT especially, and some oils and fats as we already know. But if you get those out first... cleaner basic pulls of the DMT! :loveeyes::amazed: Dats awesome. :headbang::bow:


I'm gonna try a defat next time and hopefully it should make my lil batch less oily from the start. Again, awesome info. :thumbup:

DJ, you best be studying this ;) lol

#14 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 08:30 AM

Im glad you dig the tek DDD,
but I'm not the chemist here just
a random web surfer that found that info :D
Marsfold and this Vovin guy in my opinion
could have good conversation. As for
you and I....we're students..lol
cool class eh?
Keep us posted DJ :thumbup:

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:21 AM

Vovin guy in my opinion
could have good conversation. As for
you and I....we're students..lol
cool class eh?
Keep us posted DJ :thumbup:


I myself am happie :lol: as just a fly on the wall

#16 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:25 AM

:eusa_thin...sweet!

#17 DJTetsu

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 04:05 PM

Haha no prob and thanks guys. Now I'm debating to do the marsfold's tek or the staright to base tek. Stb sounds easy.. Too easy? Should I not be so lazy and try atleat be looking into the ph., and not to mention boiing/heating up some stuff (marsfold tek)?

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 05:52 PM

Marsfold's tek is a good one and will get you cleaner spice than the straight to base tek. The straight to base tek is a good one too, but your spice will probably need some extra steps to clean it up after. Either way, it's fun stuff to mess around with.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:46 PM

Wow, that is nicely written CM. Mycotopia needs a copy of that!

its already in the archives. thanks for the pdf tho cm. archive material > dmt vaults

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:08 PM

Some pics on my first day.

1) Then things I'm using, lye, naphtha, a quart jar, distilled water, measuring cup, turkey baster, and ofcourse, a cup of MHRB

*go to the top of this thread for the link to the written directions of the tek

2) 2 cups of distilled water and 3 tablespoons of lye, stirred inside the quart jar

3) Started to put in the grinded powdered MHRB, and I'm eyeing for big chunks which I chop up with scissors.

4) Pouring the rest

5) Wicked ale! Stir, then close lid, shake violently.. is what it says...

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