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Playing With Extracting DMT (aka: Wazzling The Spice)


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#41 mycobri

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 09:17 PM

wow DDD nice yeild :thumbup:

#42 smacked12

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 07:26 AM

nice, that's looking a lot better.

if you want to get really crazy...

redissolve the 3.5 in 150mls of warm naptha. add 1-2 grams of activated carbon(pelletized, pet store) to your solvent and let sit for at least 30 min. once all the carbon has settled pour your solvent through a funnel with a cotton ball stuffed in it. and, re-evap.

just to make sure i get any spice the carbon may have picked up, however minimal. i usually dump the carbon into the funnel and rinse it with 20-25mls of fresh clean naptha.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 06:27 PM

So, doobs, what is next?

Well, I have had this jar of very oily stuff sitting around. It looks more yellow than piss or lemon lime Gatorade! haha This came from my first attempts. No defatting, sucked up the fats and oils cuz I thougth that was the layer I was supposed to, and also had the naphtha and mhrb brew sitting in jars together for 3 days. Lots of oils and gunk. But, there is still good spice in there!



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So, here's the attack plan. I found some activated carbon. Not sure how good it is... I think it's been sitting around a while.


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I took 15 grams of this, and added it to approximately 425ml of that naphtha, right in the jar.


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I shook it around, swirled it around, and then let it sit. I didn't really notice much after a half hour. So decided to let it sit another 90 min shaking and swirling it around every now and then.

I also heated it in a warm water bath. (other research showed me that although the spice would dissolve better in the warm naphtha, to get the activated carbon filtering better, colder was actually what was wanted. See this page here.

Water Temperature and pH
Adsorption usually increases as pH and temperature decrease. Chemical reactions and forms of chemicals are closely related to pH and temperature. When pH and temperature are lowered many organic chemicals are in a more adsorbable form.

Exposure Time
The process of adsorption is also influenced by the length of time that the AC is in contact with the contaminant in the water. Increasing contact time allows greater amounts of contaminant to be removed from the water. Contact is improved by increasing the amount of AC in the filter and reducing the flow rate of water through the filter.


So, after that, I let it cool down. :)

I still was not seeing much after about 3 hours, so I decided to add another 15 grams of activated carbon. Again, I did not know how old this stuff was or how good it would still be... I was guessing more would not be a terrible thing in most cases... so, hope I was right. ;)

Now, there were 30grams of these old pellets of activated carbon in the jar, I continued to shake it a bit and swirl it around mixing it well and letting all the naphtha touch all the carbon over and over... then it sat till today, about 18hrs later now.


Sure enough, it has cleared up pretty damn nicely! I strained it through a coffee filter warm, to be sure all the spice was dissolved. Looks really nice. Tis evapping now. Check her out:

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So, we shall see how it looks when evapped. I have no idea on weights of what went in so I can't really say what sorta oil weight was removed or spice weight yeildwise lost.

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#44 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 06:31 PM

That is not any gunk in that 2nd picture from the bottom there of the clearer naphtha... tis just the picture.

Another note: When I added the carbon to the naphtha, it fizzled and bubbled a bit... Not sure if this is normal, but I was carefull not to seal the jar up right away after seeing that.

#45 smacked12

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:15 PM

nice! it's amazing to see before and after the carbon. it's the difference between night and day.

i'm surprised it took so long to clear up though.

the carbon pellets you used look really dense and compact. the stuff i use resembles pumice. i wonder if that has something to do with it. i really think your's is higher quality then what i use though.

When I added the carbon to the naphtha, it fizzled and bubbled a bit... Not sure if this is normal, but I was carefull not to seal the jar up right away after seeing that.


yeah, that's normal.

did you just toss the used carbon? i usually dump it into the filter and rinse it with clean warm solvent. that way any spice it may have picked up gets washed out. the nasties will stay put if you use a minimal amount to rinse with.

#46 doobydoobydoo

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 02:10 AM

nice! it's amazing to see before and after the carbon. it's the difference between night and day.
i'm surprised it took so long to clear up though.
the carbon pellets you used look really dense and compact. the stuff i use resembles pumice. i wonder if that has something to do with it. i really think your's is higher quality then what i use though.


No idea what sorta quality it is. I'm sure the surface area and pourousness has A LOT to do with it.


did you just toss the used carbon? i usually dump it into the filter and rinse it with clean warm solvent. that way any spice it may have picked up gets washed out. the nasties will stay put if you use a minimal amount to rinse with.


I saved it in the jar and washed it with a few splashes of naphtha warming it in a water bath very quickly, swirling it, mixing, straining it. I think it did this 3 times with a tiny amount of naphtha.


I'm really not sure how much spice will come from this. I had already tried a freeze precip to clean it up, and I think, not sure about this, but i think, a lot of spice may have blown away from the fan when that was drying... it was so nice and white and powdery, I wasn't expecting it. Ooops. :(

So we'll see what's left ;)

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:16 AM

I had already tried a freeze precip to clean it up, and I think, not sure about this, but i think, a lot of spice may have blown away from the fan when that was drying... it was so nice and white and powdery, I wasn't expecting it. Ooops. :(
So we'll see what's left ;)


i did the same thing on my first freeze precip. i put a fan on it and ran out to the store. i came back to a nearly empty dish. since then i just filter and air dry.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 09:21 AM

Looking good Doob,
I knew your efforts were gonna pay off.
:bow:
Nice shots of the Carbon wash too...

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 01:27 PM

Looking good Doob,
I knew your efforts were gonna pay off.
:bow:
Nice shots of the Carbon wash too...


Thanks CM!

I did not get much spice out of that last batch there... I'm fairly sure I may have lost a lot during the freeze precip attempts.

My next projects, are to clean up those jars with the oranger/yellower spice.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 01:47 PM

How would you loose it during the freeze?:eusa_thin

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 02:02 PM

i did the same thing on my first freeze precip. i put a fan on it and ran out to the store. i came back to a nearly empty dish. since then i just filter and air dry.


LOL... Wow, that at least makes me feel better. At least I'm not the only one. And now we know. :)

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 02:03 PM

How would you loose it during the freeze?:eusa_thin


It formed up so nice and light and fluffy, it did not stick to the dish at all. I wasn't expecting it to be so nice and pure and having it in front of a fan evapping the bit on the dish... it blew it away cuz it was not sticking in the dish. :amazed: Poured it off, evapped the stuff on the bottom on the dish, and uh oh, was making nice and white, came back, none... eek.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 02:30 PM

oh ic, you think you lost it during the evap....sadness doob.
Maybe try doing a slow evap before the freeze next time? (So the crystal can fall out)

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 03:07 PM

oh ic, you think you lost it during the evap....sadness doob.
Maybe try doing a slow evap before the freeze next time? (So the crystal can fall out)


Well, what happened was I had a nice layer of naphtha on the bottom of the pan with some nice crystals forming up after I had poured the rest of the naphtha out of the dish. It was so nice and pure, it wasn't sticking to the dish when it dried, and having a fan on it, just blew it all away. If I had let it go slowly with no fan, it would have been ok. Guess I made a lil blizzard. LOL

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 03:12 PM

Ok, so time to cleanup one of these jars of orange/yellowish spice.


I took this vial here with 1.71g, put it in a lil flask, added 150ml of naphtha, and swirled it around. After 5 min it wasn't all dissolving so well, so I put it in a lil warm water bath, 5 min later, nearly all dissolved. There seemed to be some stuff stuck to the bottom though and a lil bit of gunk. That should all come out when I filter it. Then, after this was warmed up and dissolved in about 15 min, I added 10grams of that carbon I had. Now we see how it goes.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:11 PM

swirl it a dongload,
sometimes it takes a good while. check it out tomorrow.
pretty pictures, looking good!
good luck man =]

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:24 PM

NOT IMPRESSED :(

1.71g .... resulting in - .43g :thumbdown::cry::eusa_doh: That is a loss of 1.28g of spice!!!!



Well, as the above says, I am not impressed with AC filtering (yet). Losing over 1.25g of spice... NO NO NO NO NO bad bad bad bad

I really am not sure what happened. The only thing I can think of is that it was either A HELL OF A LOT of oils and gunk, or, the spice is hiding in the carbon still.

Talking with others in chat the other night, similar results were mentioned. Losing much during the AC wash (AC being Activated Carbon).

I had to let mine sit a while for it to do anything noticeable, someone else had mentioned they did it very briefly. Also, I had to use A LOT more carbon than what others were mentioning they were using. I don't see how a gram would have done anything for me. I had used up to 30 in that big jar, and then now I used 10 grams of the carbon.


Also, the stuff came out rather blackish looking, even after I filtered it with a coffee filter. Just all around rather disappointed with how this went.




Here are a few pics:

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My next plans now are to take all this carbon I have saved from both the cleanup projects and see if I can get any spice out of it.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:40 PM

eww looks like u got AC in your spice. what worked great for me with activated carbon was .25g of AC per gram of spice. i warmed the dmt in a small amount of naphtha maybe 50ml -75ml then added the AC and swirled it around for about 20-30 seconds then poured off the naphtha into another jar leaving behind the carbon. if u leave the naphtha in that same jar ur gunna get ac in your dmt because i noticed that the carbon would rub off onto the glass when i was swirling it so pouring into a clean jar would be the best idea as i had black residue on the first jar from the AC.

so a quick ratio of what worked best for me was .25g activared carbon 1g dmt smallest amoount of naphtha you can get 1g of dmt to dissolve in using warm naphtha. follow this with a freeze percip and you should get almost pure dmt.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:48 PM

Also, the stuff came out rather blackish looking, even after I filtered it with a coffee filter. Just all around rather disappointed with how this went.


Well, that right there explains why your results were so black. You cannot CANNOT use a coffee filter: it will not work. You have to use bona fide filter paper. This was a point of major irritation for me: I had the carbon in my spice/naphtha and I had to wait over a week for the filter papers to arrive!

Once they finally did arrive, my final results really sucked. Let me show you some before and after pics:

I combined about half my first pull and all of my second pull together for my AC wash. What I ended up with was less than half the weight of the second pull. So yeah, leave the activated carbon in too long for any reason, and you WILL lose spice.

In my case, you can see I lost a lot of spice, and it still didn't clean up well. (I wasn't left with a solid product, it was powdery crystals mixed in runny yellow oil). You can't really tell from the picture, but there are miniscule bits of charcoal powder still mixed into that final pea-sized blob of spice.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 11:05 PM

Well, that right there explains why your results were so black. You cannot CANNOT use a coffee filter: it will not work. You have to use bona fide filter paper. This was a point of major irritation for me: I had the carbon in my spice/naphtha and I had to wait over a week for the filter papers to arrive!


Wow... well, now I know :)



Once they finally did arrive, my final results really sucked. Let me show you some before and after pics:
I combined about half my first pull and all of my second pull together for my AC wash. What I ended up with was less than half the weight of the second pull. So yeah, leave the activated carbon in too long for any reason, and you WILL lose spice.
In my case, you can see I lost a lot of spice, and it still didn't clean up well. (I wasn't left with a solid product, it was powdery crystals mixed in runny yellow oil). You can't really tell from the picture, but there are miniscule bits of charcoal powder still mixed into that final pea-sized blob of spice.



Oh man... nasty. Similar results to what I had though.




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