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PF Cakes with Peat (how I got the vermiculite monkey off my back).


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#1 MNL

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 09:43 AM

The Netherlands is built upon giant timbers driven deep into the earth. This is needed because the whole place is a soppy, peaty, sandy mess. The dirt sold in supermarkets, 'potgrond', tends to be 100% black peat and peat litter. The stuff I used also had some nutrients. I was initially worried about these, but then I forgot about them until just now.

A shit load of lime was added, verm (50%) was added. It was wetted beyond field capacity, then nuked for some time.

I like it, but I used a clear container and shrooms are growing in the sides.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 09:44 AM

Strain is EQ - a print from spacecake.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 10:28 AM

it seems to be working out pretty good for you. eq is a really good strain btw imho. spacecake really hooked ya up.

a question i have is, do you find moisture to be a problem for you.
the reason im asking is that cakes prefer 100% humidity as opposed to casings which seem to enjoy a nice 80%-90%.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 10:34 AM

Nope, I did a 12inchx12 inch straw tray in there (cased),as well. Perhaps I shouldnt, but its the 'clean zone', know what I mean?

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 09:27 AM

Fuck! I wrote this post once, but accidentally closed the browser.....This post is another in the spirit of my Wild Bird Seed Flour substitution, which can be found HERE .

I was making some cakes and I ran out of vermiculite. It can be difficult to find in the Netherlands. I didn't feel like taking a 10 Euro train ride to Amsterdam to buy a 5 euro bag of vermiculite.

When I realized I was low, I grabbed some 'potgrond' I had for casings (100% black peat with light nutrients). I sifted the peat through a kitchen colander, and moistened it a little. Microwaved the mix until it steamed and paranoia of a kitchen peat fire prevailed.

Added a bunch of lime.

I then used the peat/lime mix in a 2:1 peat/brown rice flour formula. I added water until it had the consistency of good substrate. I didn't add '1 water' because I had moistened the peat previously.

The mix was loaded into plastic cups with a pinch of vermiculite on the bottom, and a layer of vermiculite on the top. Steamed as usual.

The picture shows a Hawaiian multi-spore inoculation on three cups, (from left to right) 1. standard PF w/vermiculite, 2. 50/50 vermiculite/peat mix, and 3. 100% peat. All the jar types have growth.

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 09:33 AM

i love threads like this
with side by side pictoral results and comparisons
tyvm for not being afraid to try new things and being too lazy to ride down and get more vermiculite :)
please keep us posted

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 09:36 AM

Cool. Keep us posted how it works out.

quote:
"I didn't feel like taking a 10 Euro train ride to Amsterdam"
I doubt you're going to get much sympathy around here....lol.
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 09:46 AM

quote:
"I didn't feel like taking a 10 Euro train ride to Amsterdam"
I doubt you're going to get much sympathy around here....lol.
RR


It didnt used to be so bad, but now we cannot smoke on the train. It used to be (only a year ago, in fact) that there were smoking sections. Smoking sections mind you, NOT tobacco sections :)

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 06:10 PM

still not getting much sympathy from me... you bastard...
i haven't seen a nug in over 2 months...

as far as the peat experiment goes.. good luck.. it's nice to see people trying new things... make sure to keep us posted :)
as far as the verm goes.. i got a huge 18 gallon tub full of it.. i'll trade ya 1/2 of it for some brownies... :)
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 06:55 PM

did you adjust for
the ph of the peat ?

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Posted 27 March 2005 - 07:00 PM

i didnt even register the whole LIVING RIGHT NEAR AMSTERDAM comment.
lol
damn youuuuuuuu
your so lucky!

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 12:11 AM

"I didn't feel like taking a 10 Euro train ride to Amsterdam"
I doubt you're going to get much sympathy around here....lol.
RR

I dont even smoke weed and I still got no sympathy for someone so lucky as yourself!!! Lucky bastid :)

Good luck with your grow this should be interesting,specially since I have huge bails of peat hanging around.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 03:30 AM

did you adjust for
the ph of the peat ?


Yes, butt-loads of lime (A-Z Kalk with microorganisms).

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 07:51 AM

UPDATE:On both multi-spore and clones, the peat cups are going much slower than the standard PF cups, the 50/50 is (surprise) somewhere in between.

The peat is finer than vermicultie, so I think I will make some new cakes with 2:1.5 peat/BRF mix.

I am also going to make a few cakes with peat/BRF/toilet paper today.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 09:32 AM

Peat+lime, loaded on top of normal verm/rice PF substrate.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 09:35 AM

cool experiments you have going on
that looks like a TON of lime. what ratio did you use?
lol thats hell of a peat contambarrier :P
its almost half the one cup

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 09:40 AM

My ratio for lime to peat is a butt-load of lime to the amount of peat that I plan to use....

That was made with the rest of my vermiculite...not enough for 2 cups, too much for one....so I just did what I could.

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 10:43 AM

now this one
i know
will NOT work
trich will eat right thru peat

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 11:04 AM

could you elaborate a little? I though if peat is non-nut, then nothing grows in it?

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 11:41 AM

peat's not quite that non-nutritious,
it is decayed plant material, afterall.
you'd do better with a synthetic fiber
like tyvek or polyfil
or verm which is inert since it's a mineral




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