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#1 grimblegrumble

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 03:45 PM

I have a reoccurring Muscle spasm/pinched nerve thing that bothers me to no end lately. I went to the doctor, who just referred me on to a specialist and prescribed me Flexeril. When I take that shit I can't even keep awake. I don't like it. So I'm trying to find a natural muscle relaxer that won't put me down and out. When I try to Google it I get waaaayyyy too much info and the majority is bullshit statements by merchants touting their products.
Can anyone here put me on the right track? I would really appreciate it.

Please don't say cannabis, I'm already trying that.
It only helps so much.

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 08:37 PM

I got some very deep physical and mental relaxation from moclobemide and leaf aya. I could feel all my muscles popping open, especially ones which were subconciously tense without me knowing.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:03 AM

:)
I was kind of thinking more conventional herbs, less psychoactive, if you know what I mean.
I did read some of your thread on your moclobemide and Aya experiments Phalanx (formerly Leprechaun right?).
Interesting.
Alas I have no moclobemide.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:37 AM

Aya might give you long term relief without having to be groggy all day everyday on cannabis etc.

To get moclobemide, go to you doctor and say you are depressed cos of your back. As specifically for it because you feel it is safer than the ssri antidepressants like prozac, which I think is true and reasonable to say. ssri's and tricyclics are front line treatment, and moc is only given if ssri's etc don't work. But you should get it if you emphasise that you have read up on ssri's and tricyclic shit-pills and feel they are useless/dangerous/too many side effects.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:58 AM

I nearly forgot. Atropine in belladonna and hyoscine/scopolamine in datura are anti-spasmodics. You can get it easily in some travel sickness pills. Maybe you should ask your doctor about it. There are other perscription forms i think.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 11:57 AM

Would be nice to know something I could pick up from the local herbal store. I just started working out and my quads are killing me.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:33 PM

Would be nice to know something I could pick up from the local herbal store. I just started working out and my quads are killing me.


*thinks of sweetness during a sweaty workout* ;)

Wish I had some motivation to get off my ass!

Sorry I don't have anything else to add to this thread.

Peace
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:38 PM

Wish I had some motivation to get off my ass!


Boobies!

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 07:24 PM

my experience with flexeril, soma, and other muscle relaxers is that i quickly build a tolerance to them. it took a week or so, but after that the drowsiness went away. i would take them at bedtime if you have to work or drive and can stand the pain during the day. u might ask your doc for ultram or darvocet, to take during the day and the flexoril at night.....if u dont talk to them they assume everything is fine with you, and their god complex continues......so let the doc know. My two centavos. Do Not Drink while on any muscle relaxers, it will fry a liver quickly.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 08:03 PM

I can't recommend anything for chronic pain, other than perhaps some opium tea, but that'll make you groggier than the cannabis...

But for Sweetness, as far as muscle soreness after a work out, a can of albacore tuna in water is the best. After a heavy workout, especially quads, eat a can of albacore tuna (line caught albacore, not 'tuna' tuna - higher in protein and less fat). A muscle relaxer might numb the pain but it won't help regrow muscle tissue, which is what you feel after a workout - micro tears in muscle that are slowly being repaired. High quality protein, esp. albacore tuna, will rapidly speed up that process, also drinking lots of fresh water, as the ATP process is water fuelled.

A steak is good too, but much more expensive, more fat, and lower quality protein. Albacore has the highest quality protein for lowest price, hands down.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 08:27 PM

Tiger Balm might work, if your thinking topical
-not exactly long term though. Valerian root
might also be an option, not sure though.
http://botanical.com/

#12 grimblegrumble

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 02:45 AM

other than perhaps some opium tea


Yes, there isn't much pain that poppie tea couldn't kill.
But daily use of that would quickly become a problem.

I picked up some herbs today at an herb store.
I'm going to try some out.
I've got some kava kava, valerian, skull cap, passion flower, and hops.
We'll see.
Thanks for all the help and advice.:)

#13 Sweetness

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:02 PM

Hey thanks, Beastmaster. I'll def pick up a few cans. Next week, walking lunges.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 09:52 PM

grimble grumble it can also be a problem finding some opium tea haha..., i can reccomend a homemade painkiller if you want to pm me, and as for working out lots of glutamine is best to take if you dont want sore muscles the day after a workout

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 10:32 PM

Would be nice to know something I could pick up from the local herbal store. I just started working out and my quads are killing me.


epsum salt bath
or dit di jow (spelling)/ tiger balm
rub that stuff on the sore muscles. most smell like hell
i have one that smells like cinnamon
but it works GREAT

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:02 AM

I'm also interested in this homemade painkiller Quagmire. I live with chronic pain and cannot take pain meds.

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 10:59 AM

I used to keep Tiger Balm on hand. Forgot all about it. I have included milk and yogurt back in my diet and I eat plenty of lean meats and fish to get the glutamine. I'm feeling so much better today. Time to rip again.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:13 PM

OK Quagmire,

if you have some secret homemade painkiller you need to bring it :)

If it's a new one on me, I'll give you a dollar.

barring that, you can go to
www.mastersmarketing.com
and get soma cheap as dirt and legally -
I recently got 200 for about $50 give or take, if I recall.
go to the website and email Julie for a price quote on soma-
they don't sell anything crazy like pain meds, but if you need
Europe-legal meds then they have it for CHEAP.

As for herbals, passionflower works for me from time to time
when I'm feeling natural (not very often).
Your mileage may vary.
I keep herbals for recreation - if you want sexual healing for
your body and soul you have to go the pharm route IMO :D

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 06:24 PM

okay guys i've been real busy and have been missing out, the board looks good.

for soreness when working out try creatine monohydrate, it flushes the muscle tissue with water and will allow the lactic acid build up to wash out, and also a muscle tonic for general relaxation is wild yam root, i've used it in conjunction with creatine monohydrate, tiger balm and epsom baths, works good.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 06:34 PM

now i have to point out that kava, passa flora, valerian, and skullcap are all relaxants of a sort, not specifically muscle relaxants, they will put you in a state of mind that would not be conducive to wakefulness.

now personally i've found kratom works as a good muscle relaxant, but that isn't proven and i can't find any research leaning that way, nor have i really looked. i would rather be on kratom than kava or valerian when trying to do my day to day when dealing with muscle pain and spasm.

oh- i forgot the best treatment, get someone to rub ya down.




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