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#21 TVCasualty


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Posted 11 August 2007 - 11:32 AM

55 degrees from air conditioning? I thought you were going to say you live in the Southern Hemisphere! That is seriously cold from a central AC point of view... I'd have to wear a jacket in there! (Please tell me you don't crank up the heat in winter to 90)

That's some electric bill you must have! Let me guess: it's to maintain a very high bill all year for continuity so that when the herb garden is on in winter your bill looks about the same? ;)

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 03:43 PM

aint that bad of a bill..... i just got a woman that bitches and moans if its hot in the house i set it at 65 then she goes right behind me turning it down more. trust me im freezing i wear sweats and covers to bed.
sucks even more cause i work 3rd shift. my garden doesn't run the bill up much maybe $20 but i havent had that running for awhile. i do every 4 months at a safe addy. just keep the mom alive and happy. i never really checked the temp in hear with the ac on turns out im about 65 in my back room. so maybe that will be my lab. or maybe my safe addy will be who knows.

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 04:19 PM

or maybe my safe addy will be who knows.

Wouldn't be a very safe addy anymore...:pirate:

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 04:40 PM

i highly recommend PFtek ! My very first 24 jars were a total success ! Do not worry about a glovebox...just sterilize your needle for each jar, use a lot of 'oust' before, and during! Just be clean! By the way, use Hippie3 's supercake formula for the best pleasure in growing times and fruiting! :eusa_clap

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 12:58 AM

hey i seen something at this like that i would like to read up about but cant seem to find.

PF's bookshelf incubation setup

they was talking some what about it here
Mycotopia Web Archive: Thermostat for the incubator

can anybody help

nevermind looked a little harder and found this
Columbus Electric KT-121AH Thermostat

plan on using one these for winter time

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 03:15 AM

so i got a question i didn't get 1/2 pint jars i got 1 pint wide mouths. hoping this ain't gonna be a problem. hmmmmm? maybe wbs tek looks easy enough prefer to do the pftek though for my first few go rounds. then id like to do bulk with the monotubs.

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 06:43 AM

Pints are OK...Just use more spores..Will take a bit longer to colo...
WBS is pretty easy but PF takes the cake...heh...

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:48 AM

know also that pf-style brf substrate is flexible
in that it can be used as spawn just like a grain [ wbs or rye , etc.]
you just crumble it up fine and mix with bulk.
also one is not limited to just small jars,
one can place large amounts of brf in mycobags
for true pf bulk,
fast because the brf can be broken up & intermixed
while still in the bag
to mix growth into empty areas
thus accerating colonization.

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 02:25 PM

dude ya'll are the shit thanks 4 all the help. i was kinda worried that i wouldn't be able to do the pftek

this is the formula im going by:
1/4 cup of brown rice powder (60ml) - (Health food stores and co-ops)
1/2 cup of horticultural vermiculite (120ml) (medium grade) (garden centers and hardware)
1/4 cup of water (60ml)

but im going to double that up right. since it pint jars and that 1/2 pint formula

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 02:29 PM

cant wait to try: THE CRYSTALS OF THE GODS sounds fun.


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Posted 12 August 2007 - 06:51 PM

golly: you said i have to use a little more so should i just double up to 6cc each jar?

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:54 PM

If u have plenty solution , u could go that high but i would think 3-4 is enough...

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 02:35 AM

seen this thread: Safe Addresses...Suggestions on how to get and keep one

"a friend is ok too, as long as its not illegal substances. spores/syringes/prints, can all be sent to a
buddies house that is no where near a grow op. that way if for some reason the post office gets
nosey, and something does happen (god forbid), nothing will be found or happen. choose a friend
that has no kids in the house, and if possible is single. always have all boxes marked to RESIDENT
and then the address. and tell them to NEVER open the box(tell them to write RETURN TO SENDER
on it right away and lay it next to their door, that way all they have to say is, hey i was waiting for
tomorrows mail, to send it back). you want them safeguarded as well as you. this is about all i can
think of, any other suggestions would be good."

whats the problem if spores are legal every where but a few states. i mean i agree never send the to ur safe haven aka grow spot. but why not allow the person sign for them there legal. maybe im lost just kinda curious cause i want to make sure i didn't just send my spores to some1 else to get busted because they signed for em............

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 12:28 AM

well done some research on "EROWID" and this is what i found for people who just wasn't sure, read some things that just didn't make any since to you.
so the you ended up wondering if the buddy you sent them to has anything to worry about legal wise i guess. kinda like me i got totally lost on the subject and wanted to know for sure and so far this is what i got..... sorry for the babble.

"United States

Psilocybin mushroom spores are legal to possess in every state in the United States, except California, Georgia, and Idaho. This is because it is psilocybin and psilocin (the active chemicals in psychedelic mushrooms) which are specifically listed in Schedule I, not the mushrooms themselves. Theoretically any plant or mushroom which contains psilocybin may be considered a "container" of psilocybin which makes the plant illegal also. However, mushroom spores do not contain psilocybin or psilocin. For this reason, they are not illegal either federally or in most states.

California, Georgia, and Idaho have specifically passed laws which make it illegal, at least in some situations, to possess spores that produce psilocybin-containing mushrooms.

Federal law in the United States does not mention psilocybin mushroom spores.


There are three interesting things about the California law regarding spores.
  • The law appears to state that it is only illegal to import spores into the state if there is intent to cultivate them into mushrooms.
  • It is not specifically illegal to possess spores, it is only illegal to "transport, import into the state, sell, furnish, or give away" spores or mycelium. Technically, this means that possession of spores obtained from mushrooms inside the state, which are not bought or sold, are not illegal.
  • Only viable spores appear to be illegal as the law specifically states that it is "spores or mycelium capable of producing mushrooms" which are illegal.
Health & Safety Code
Section 11390-11392

11390. Except as otherwise authorized by law, every person who, with intent to produce a controlled substance specified in paragraph (18) or (19) of subdivision (d) of Section 11054, cultivates any spores or mycelium capable of producing mushrooms or other material which contains such a controlled substance shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than one year or in the state prison.

11391. Except as otherwise authorized by law, every person who transports, imports into this state, sells, furnishes, gives away, or offers to transport, import into this state, sell, furnish, or give away any spores or mycelium capable of producing mushrooms or other material which contain a controlled substance specified in paragraph (18) or (19) of subdivision (d) of Section 11054 for the purpose of facilitating a violation of Section 11390 shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than one year or in the state prison.

11392. Spores or mycelium capable of producing mushrooms or other material which contains psilocyn or psyoclyin may be lawfuly obtained and used for bona fide research, instruction, or analysis, if not in violation of federal law, and if the research, instruction, or analysis is approved by the Research Advisory Panel established pursuant to Sections 11480 and 11481.


Code Section
16-13-71 (627)

(a) A "dangerous drug" means any drug other than a drug contained in any schedule of Article 2 of this chapter, which, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (52 Stat. 1040 (1938)), 21 U.S.C. Section 301, et seq., as amended, may be dispensed only upon prescription. In any civil or criminal action or other proceedings, a certification from the Food and Drug Administration of the United States Department of Health and Human Services attesting to the fact that a drug other than a drug contained in any schedule of Article 2 of this chapter involved in the action or proceeding is a dangerous drug that federal law prohibits dispensing of without a prescription pursuant to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act shall be admissible as prima-facie proof that such drug is a "dangerous drug."

(b) In addition to subsection (a) of this Code section, a "dangerous drug" means any other drug or substance declared by the General Assembly to be a dangerous drug; to include any of the following drugs, chemicals, or substances; salts, isomers, esters, ethers, or derivatives of such drugs, chemicals, or substances which have essentially the same pharmacological action; all other salts, isomers, esters, ethers, and compounds of such drugs, chemicals, or substances unless specifically exempted and the following devices, identified as "dangerous drugs":

(627) Mushroom spores which, when mature, contain either psilocybin or psilocin;

Idaho #

Idaho Schedule I

(d) Hallucinogenic substances. Any material, compound, mixture or preparation which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, their salts, isomers and salts of isomers, unless specifically excepted, whenever the existence of these salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation (for purposes of this paragraph only, the term "isomer" includes the optical, position and geometric isomers):
(32) Spores or mycelium capable of producing mushrooms that contain psilocybin or psilocin.

Deutschland (Germany)
by G-Child.

As of July 1st, 2001 the law was extended to prohibit the possession of seeds, spores and mycelium of plants which are prohibited because they contain controlled/illegal substances are prohibited too. It doesn´t matter if these seeds, mycelium, or spores contain the substances itself.

This is the original law-text in German:

"Die Neufassung der Anlage I: "Nicht verkehrsfähige Betäubungsmittel... Pflanzen und Pflanzenteile, Tiere oder tierische Körperteile in bearbeitetem oder unbearbeitetem Zustand mit in dieser oder einer anderen Anlage aufgeführten Stoffen, sowie Früchte, Pilzmycelien, Samen, Sporen und Zellkulturen, die zur Gewinnung von Organismen mit in dieser oder einer anderen Anlage aufgeführten Stoffen geeignet sind, wenn ein Missbrauch zu Rauschzwecken vorgesehen ist."

The reasons given for this new extended law are (among others):
Grow & Headshops were selling Spores, Mycelium & Seeds including equipment for growing illegal plants. By changing this law, the prohibition of the cultivation of such plants can be more easily enforced.

Below you´ll find the original reasoning in German:

"Die Begründung: Die Begründung des Antrages in Bezug auf psychoaktive Pilze und Pflanzen für die fünfzehnte Verordnung zur Änderung betäubungsmittelrechtlicher Vorschriften (Fünfzehnte Betäubungsmittelrechts-Änderungsverordnung - 15. BtMÄndV) vom Bundesministerium für Gesundheit:

"Im letzten Gedankenstrich am Ende der Anlage I wird eine Rechtslücke beseitigt. Nach derzeitiger Rechtslage sind Pflanzenteile und tierische Körperteile nur dann Betäubungsmittel, wenn sie bereits Stoffe der Anlagen I bis III enthalten. Dagegen ist der Verkehr mit Früchten, Pilzmycelien, Sporen oder Zellkulturen, die diese Stoffe noch nicht enthalten aber zur Gewinnung von Organismen mit diesen Stoffen verwendet werden können, nach dem BtMG bisher nicht verboten. Diese Rechtslage wird von Grow- und Headshops ausgenutzt, indem z. B. Mycelien zur Gewinnung psilocybinhaltiger Pilze einschließlich Anbauutensilien und Gebrauchsanweisung angeboten und vertrieben werden. Dieser Handel soll mit der vorgesehenen Rechtsänderung unterbunden und damit z. B. das für betäubungsmittelhaltige Pilze bereits bestehende Anbau- und Verkehrsverbot besser durchgesetzt werden. Da die genannten Organismen keine Betäubungsmittel sind, aber dennoch dem "Missbrauch zu Rauschzwecken" (u.a. dem missbräuchlichen Anbau von Betäubungsmitteln) dienen sollen, sieht die Reglung eine entsprechende Änderung des Wortlauts vor. Damit werden keine neuen psychoaktiven Substanzen dem BtMG unterstellt. Die Reglung richtet sich insoweit insbesondere gegen Händler, die unter Inkaufnahme gesundheitlicher Gefährdung und strafrechtlicher Risiken (verbotener Anbau) ihrer Kunden selbst völlig risikolos Geschäfte machen und damit gleichzeitig Straftaten der Konsumenten Vorschub leisten."

How strictly these laws are enforced?

Well, it´s the same like in the different states in the US. Since Germany is a Federal republic in different part of the country the rules are obeyed more or less. There are no official shops selling seeds or spores in Germany anymore. You have to travel to the Netherlands, which is famous for their liberal drug laws, there is also the opportunity to buy things via dutch webshops...

In Berlin or Northern Germany, the culture of the areas are more conducive to growing mushrooms than other areas, like Bavaria which is known for being more conservative."

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 12:34 AM

some more info for erowid,"
Psilocybin mushrooms are not specifically named in the U.S. federal scheduling system, however their two primary active chemicals Psilocybin and Psilocin are both Schedule I in the United States. This means they are illegal to manufacture, buy, possess, or distribute (sell, trade or give) without a DEA license. Fresh and dried psilocybin mushrooms are considered containers of Psilocybin and Psilocin, making them illegal to possess as well.

Because spores contain no psilocybin or psilocin, they are legal to sell and possess (in all states except California, Georgia, and Idaho). But in most states, it is illegal to cultivate or propogate spores into mycelium since mycelium generally contains both psilocybin and psilocin.

Some states in the U.S. and some countries have ruled that growing psilocybe mushrooms does not qualify as 'manufacturing' a controlled substance (psilocybin).

Psilocybin mushrooms are illegal in every state in the United States except Florida (see below).
Specific state laws can be accessed through this state-by-state list. An Overview of case law for several states can be accessed here.

Psilocybin Mushroom spores are legal to possess in every state except California, Georgia, and Idaho. (see details).

Florida #
Florida stands out because of a decision in 1978 in Fiske v Florida by the Florida Supreme Court which ruled that wild-picked psilocybin mushrooms could not be legally considered "containers" of psilocybin and thus would have to be specifically listed in Florida law by the legislature if they meant to make them illegal. Since the Florida legislature has not chosen to change the laws since then, wild Psilocybin mushrooms are presumptively legal to possess in Florida. This does not mean police won't arrest people for possession of even wild mushrooms, but this has been used as a successful defense against such charges.
New Mexico #
New Mexico appels court ruled on June 16, 2005, that growing psilocybin mushrooms for personal consumption could not be considered "manufacturing a controlled substance" under state law. Growing hallucinogenic mushrooms not illegal, state appeals court rules - June 16 2005

Psilocybin mushrooms are not specifically listed by the United Nations International treaties and the laws regarding them vary quite a bit around the world. States which are party to the UN Drug Control Program are free to decide for themselves whether to control them.

See A. Schouten's overview of the international legal status of Psilocybin Mushrooms.

Canada #
Both Psilocybin and Psilocin are schedule III in Canada. (Note: Canadian schedules are very different than U.S. schedules). See Psychoactive-Related Laws for Canada
Denmark #
The Danish Ministry of Health declared that is would make psilocybin mushrooms illegal to possess, buy, and sell as of July 1, 2001.http://www.stiften.d...tikel:aid=23734 (English Translation)
Germany #
We have received some confusing informaion about the current status of fresh psilocybin-containing mushrooms in Germany. Some reports suggest that even dried psilocybin mushrooms are currently legal under a loophole in the law that was recently approved by a court. One writer suggested that the issue is that a recent court case involving NG Eurotrade found that the law, as written, failed to include mushrooms in the correct place and only included them in the appendices rather than the main body of the law. The appendices, by law, are not allowed to expand the law, only to explain and narrow it. So it is now required the law be re-written to include psilocybin-containing mushrooms in the correct place.

However, another explanation was given:

Eurotrade got a taxnumber in nl which made their business legal. according to eu-regulations you may sell everything in every country belonging to the EU that may be sold in any European Union country. However, at the moment it quite hard to get fresh mushrooms in .de (dried are still illegal) because shortly after Eurotrade started shipping, the government arrested several dealers. As far as I know, no one was convicted, but most people are afraid now. [Thanks jl, Apr 2006]

And finally another contributor wrote writes:

"In Germany, Psilocybin Mushrooms are legal to buy/order from the internet, but there are special restrictions (must be a "small amount" for own needs, i.e. about approx. 100gr of fresh stropharia cubensis; also, they must not be bought in order to consume but for other use). Dried Mushrooms are illegal to buy/possess." (Unconfirmed, thanks to wolf)

And currently http://www.pilzkoepp...ow_content=taxi openly advertises taxi delivery of fresh psilocybin-containing mushrooms. Thanks to R for pointing this out.
Hong Kong #
Psilocybin is a controlled substance and the Hong Kong Narcotics Bureau considers psilocybin-containing mushrooms to be controlled under Schedule I, Part I, of the Dangerous Drug Ordinance. Magic Mushroom, a dangerous drug, July 2002.
India #
Psilocybin-containing mushrooms are illegal in India, but in some parts of the country they are ignored by authorities, places like Old Manali, Karela (Idiki), and Kodaikanal. (Unconfirmed, thanks clyde)
Ireland #
Following Britain's 2005 ban of psilocybin-containing mushrooms, Ireland banned the sale and use of psilocybin mushrooms in January 2006. See : 'sale and use of magic mushrooms banned' (Jan 31, 2006).

Japan #
According to Japanese news, psilocybin mushrooms have been outlawed specifically in Japan as of June 2002. Several visitors have written in to erowid to confirm this and have said that there have been a few busts reported. Before June 2002, psilocybin mushrooms were readily available in large cities in Japan from street vendors and specialty shops.
Netherlands #
Psilocybin-containing mushrooms are legal to sell and possess as long as they are not for consumption. Psilocybin and psilocin are both listed "hard drugs" in the Netherlands, but a Hoge Raad (high court) decision rendered the fresh mushrooms legal. Drying or otherwise preparing mushrooms for ingestion changes their status to containers of the 'hard drugs'. As of April, 2003, fresh psilocybin-containing mushrooms were for sale through smartshops in Amsterdam. For more information, see Psilocybin Mushroom Law in the Netherlands. Additionally, personal possession of a small quantity (up to "5 portions"?) of prepared or dried mushrooms is not prosecuted. As of June 2006, the ministry of justice has the following question and answer posted to its website (see Ministerie van Justitie) : "Can I buy mushrooms as a minor? Fresh mushrooms can be bought by anyone. Hallucinogenic mushrooms that are dried or added to food products are forbidden and fall under the Opium Law (Dutch drug law)." (Translated by Uil, thanks iron_max)

Update: In May 2007, Dutch Health Minister Ab Klink ordered a new study on the dangers of mushrooms following the widely-publicized suicide of a 17-year-old French tourist under the influence of mushrooms (see article).
Norway #
Mushrooms that are dried, planted or otherwise "tampered with" and contain Psilocybin are considered Schedule I, and are illegal to buy or possess without a license. Pure Psilocybin is also Schedule I. See Norway Law. (Thanks Yaargh)
Poland #
Psilocybin is schedule I (I-P group) in Poland. (No Reference)
Switzerland #
Psilocybin-containing mushrooms are controlled. In 2006, the "Sacred Mushroom Church of Switzerland" was raided and shut down and its operator, David Schlesinger, was arrested. See Sacred Mushroom Church Pastor Jailed in Switzerland, Faces USA Extradition.
Thailand #
Psilocybe cubensis, or "Psilocybine" or "Psilocine"-containing plants "including all parts e.g. flower, stem, spore." are illegal to possess or sell in Thailand, as of October 1988. See UNDCP's Excerpt of law.
U.K. #
Psilocybin and psilocin are both illegal to possess and sell in Britain. As of July 18, 2005, fresh psilocybin mushrooms are now also controlled. See U.K. Mushroom Law Timeline 2002+.

  • 2005, Jul 18: Mushroom ban in U.K. began on July, 18, 2005 when the Home Office clarified that the accidental picking of psilocybin mushrooms or having them grow inadvertently on property would not be subject to the law. Fresh mushrooms are now considered a Class A drug under this new law.
  • 2005, Apr 7: The British government has passed a new Drugs Bill expanding police powers and explicitly making fresh mushrooms illegal. Drugs Bill Receives Royal Assent,, Text of Drugs Bill.
  • 2005, Feb 19: U.K. government recently went ahead with prosecuting new cases against vendors of fresh mushrooms despite the previous court ruling that prosecution under the current law would be an "abuse of process" because the laws are too vague. The Guardian : Magic mushroom dealers face new test cases, Feb 19, 2005
  • See British Mushroom Law Timeline 2002-2005
Dried magic mushrooms have a Class A drug status, which means that the prison sentence for possession and distribution could be similar to that of other Class A drugs such as L.S.D, Heroin, Cocaine & Crack, but even dried shrooms are not considered a police priority. It is uncommon for someone to be seriously prosecuted for simple possession, and 'accidentally dried' mushrooms have generally been overlooked.
If you have information about the legal status of this substance in any other country, please let us know.

Erowid legal information is a summary of data gathered from site visitors, government documents, websites, and other resources. We are not lawyers and can not guarantee the accuracy of the information provided here. We do our best to keep this information correct and up-to-date, but laws are complex and constantly changing. Laws may also vary from one jurisdiction to another (county, state, country, etc)...this list is not comprehensive."

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 12:42 AM

here some things i just pdf just in case you wanted to read didnt feel like copying them all on here

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