experiment -BlueFoot cakes (really Ps.Ovoideocystidata)
Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:01 AM
it is based on the radel / cyano idea of a core and shell.
this will be attempt #2 at fruiting ps. caerulipes ;)
as far as ID of spores, these are the spores directly from the Bluefoots that Golly fruited.
not sure of the difference between ps. Caerulipes and ps. ovoideocystidiata, but they are one of the two:eusa_thin
PP5 deli containers will be used.
the core ingredients dry
using hips supercake mix for best results.
after adding water and verm
the shell ingredients dry
• there are very thin coffee stirrer bits boiled for an hour or so to make them soft.
i believe they are birch (thanks orchidman)
• 3 spoonfuls of Rye Grass Seed
• 12 0z. of Agway premium potting soil
the shell mix is wet to field capacity
a pan works well as water can be added and the pan tilted to drain.
6 oz. Manure / kelp tea was used to hydrate the mix.
then a small amount of verm if needed to bring down to field capacity
then the outer shell was formed by loading the mix in along the outer edge of a 1/2 pint widemouth
and pressed in a circular motion to firm up the shell.
then the core is loaded.
they are topped off with a thick dry verm barrier.
then they temporary foil lids are rubberbanded on and toothpick sized holes added for venting.
after sterilization and cooling the foil lids will be switched with PP5 lids in a GB then knoc'd
so far this is the method that will be used.
ran into a few problems so far though:
the first batch was badly burned and some pp5's melted in the pc. :thumbdown:
the second batch was made, PC'd and then it was realized that there were mealworms in the substrate :nunchuck::puke:
all that time and work wasted! :eusa_doh:
luckily the jars were not knoc'd and no spores wasted.
fresh brf will be purchased and round three will begin this weekend.
feel free to share any helpful ideas :bow:
Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:20 AM
the two on the left were colonizing at 82 degrees in a TIT incubator.
the two on the right were colonizing at room temps (about 72 degrees) in a cardboard box
so it seems safe to say that they do better at room temps as previously recommended. ;)
the karo / water LC is actually doing good so far.
maybe extra bluefoot cakes will be able to be produced if the LC works out.
Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:30 AM
Think you will need some kind of Lignin source for fruiting though, like sawdust,chips or mulch..
I could see this working as long as u can provide cool room temps for the fruiting [60s].... In higher temps the risk of mold increases, as it takes much longer to pin than a Cube cake ...
Keep us posted Mang ..gluk
Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:40 AM
mulch is a great idea.
i think some mulch will replace the coffee stirrer bits on the next batch
Posted 01 September 2007 - 09:48 AM
Posted 02 September 2007 - 06:49 AM
Posted 02 September 2007 - 07:02 AM
yeah now that i read in the vaults a bit,
Glad your trying those spores out Myco..They are indeed Caerulipes...
i see this matter has been settled.
looks like ps. ovoideocystidiata would have purple spores.
so these are ps. Caerulipes and do indeed have rusty brown spores.
in the pics -the top rows are cubes (purple)
the bottom ones are the ps. Caerulipes (rusty brown)
Posted 02 September 2007 - 04:24 PM
Posted 03 September 2007 - 03:12 PM
But, that said, its best not to assume too much from pictures. The two species can be easily seperated by the spore shape since they belong to different Sections.
Spores 7-10 microns ellipisoid.
Spores 8-9 microns rhomboid.
Spore examination pending. I have also been granted access to P. caerulipes herbarium material for a direct comparison when it arrives. Unfortunately the herbarium material is old and likely unviable.
Posted 03 September 2007 - 05:00 PM
Until then the grow will proceed as planned
using a replacement for the coffee stirrers,
maybe some mulch or hickory chips as sawdust.
Oak is also available
also after some reading, it seems that Humus is a good part decomposed Lignin. so maybe Humus will replace the potting soil.
any opinions about Apple woodchips?
some apple woodchips are available and i belive apple is a hardwood.
Posted 03 September 2007 - 05:39 PM
I based a good part of my reasoning on your work with the Ovoids WM ..Not only is the spore color dramatically different in all the ones i grew but the overall appearance of the fruitbody itself ..Although i cannot describe the difference in myco lingo - I can send you a print..
This needs to be put to rest because every thread has similar comments..
The ones i grew indoors did not blue at all, just the outside grown, showed gradual bluing...Why would a Bluefoot not be blue...? inquiring minds...
Posted 03 September 2007 - 06:38 PM
I guess I should have paid more attention to the brown spored version at the time it first came up but I was just assuming it was the same species everyone else was working on.
Posted 03 September 2007 - 06:49 PM
I've reviewed the relevent threads on this particular grow
would someone plz link the 'relevant threads'
for the record ?
Posted 03 September 2007 - 07:01 PM
some important posts,
and some pics of the original wild mushrooms posted by llamabox.
i'm sure i missed a thread or two
llamabox posted this pic of wild specimen
from this post
original marketplace thread
llama's post to location
golly's outdoor grow
mycobri failed first attempt
workman's ovoid thread / more of the mystery
golly's grow & foster's accidental fruiting
llama's post about all the prints origins
llamabox posts someone elses indoor grow
Posted 03 September 2007 - 07:38 PM
WM..Had i seen your last post in the Ovoids thread - i would have sent a print a long time ago...heh,, oh well...
I don't mind what it turns out to be - i just want my kids to have a real name...I gotta believe they are different though, although there is a red spore Cube and Panaeolus ,so i guess anything is possible..
Posted 03 September 2007 - 07:44 PM
i enjoy the identification process
the spores from your children Golly were used in this 'experiment' ;)
the spores that will be sent in for identification by workman
will be from the print originally recieved from llamabox.
Posted 03 September 2007 - 08:03 PM