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[phucknut68]

The first two pictures are from 10 days ago, the next 2 are from about 30 mins ago.... Huge difference I think for 10 days. I transplanted them 2 nights ago...

Here is a thread of them at overgrow about a little bit of yellowing, I think they may need more nutes but who knows:
http://www.overgrow....033#post5971033

[rio]

[phucknut68]

2x250 MH conversion.... Its an intersting lamp I am borrowing from a friend until I get my 600w son agro lamp. It puts out a decent amount of light but the area is not that great. .... I can already tell the plants right under it are doing better. I know conversions put out less light than regulars... I have 2x hps bulbs I will switch to during flower, then soon around then I will be getting my lamp and some small mh for mothers and vegging plants. This is my first cycle so far. Having some yellowing problems, I had started them in peat pots before I found out these make the soil acidic and are way too small. I transplanted them a few days ago and they just started to yellow a little bit. I think they will come out of it just fine. Over at OG some of the big dogs thought it was a nute deficiency, I think its just some stress and they were probably just about to start suffering in the peat pots before I transplanted. Also my humidity was dwindling in the lower 30's... Since I was dunking my casings anyhow I just put my ultrasonic near the intake for my mj and that got the humidity up to 50 fast. I figure in a week or so they will be good to go. The only problem with the big pots I have em in now is that they take forever to dry out... Which bothers me. Next time more perlite in the mix for sure!

(Message edited by phucknut68 on October 31, 2004)

[phucknut68]

4 Days later here we are, there was a little bit of yellowing because my water is hard as fuck and the ph of it is about 8, but I switched to spring water (about 6.6 ph) and have loosened up the soil some (I think it packed down when transplanting) and we have some beautiful growth only 4 days difference if you can believe what they look like in the first picture where they are all falling over ..... I have had so many problems!! My humidity WAS at 30% which is way too dry, its up to 50% now (fucking heater dries the air out bad), and I have the temps down to 77 from 82 (moved ballast out of the area).. They are still suffering from some moisture issues (you can tell the leaves are drooping some) and adjusting to the transplant (I overwatered on transplant, moisture meter still maxing out about 3 inches down) but the new growth looks really good.... I think once they recover from the ph and humidity we will see some faster growth and in 1.5 months we will go 12/12. Right now the whole area is pretty much open and running 24 hours light cycle. here are the goodies:







(Message edited by phucknut68 on November 03, 2004)

[phucknut68]

Here is an update I just took these pics, the growth in 20 days is amazing... these things really are crazy, I topped them a few days ago. -- Even though the soil is shitty, they are growing like weeds. I used the bog soil mix (the same one posted in the archives here) and its very hot. Bog has since updated and changed it in some places, but in other places the old recipe remains. I plan on growing these out for another 10-15 days or so and then 12/12 they go.





You can see some of the problems I've been having with the bog soil mix in this picture, the soil is really hot and causes lockups. It also compacts a lot.




(Message edited by phucknut68 on November 19, 2004)

[phucknut68]

I looked for mites and there werent any. I did have a few of what looked like fruit flies but I put a no pest strip in there for a couple days and it cleared up.

The hps is actually doing them a lot better than the MH conversion... I read that MH actually loses 50% of its output over time and my friend had those bulbs for a long time. Also the conversion puts out less, besides the fact that HPS is more efficient. The HPS is a LOT brighter and the plants have responded well to it.

They have been watered pretty strictly with a moisture meter, only once a week... I did water them last night though, and that soil mix is REALLY dense and compacted...... I took some of them and transplanted to a different mix with more perlite and less bone/blood meal and those are doing much better. Those ones dry out twice a week.

I already have a new crop of seedlings waiting. I figure I will get what I get out of these, if I get at least a 1/4 to a 1/2 oz per female (if its a 50/50 male/female) then I will be all set until the next plants are ready.

I will chalk this grow up to a learning experience, but I really wish you would take down the BOG soil mix in the 'topia archives. If you want I can give you a copy of his 'revised' mix to use..... It is much better and may save a few topiates from burning their plants.



(Message edited by phucknut68 on November 20, 2004)

[phucknut68]

Here is his post of the new recipe:

Some people think I have some special secrets but this mix and the organic ferts I use is no secret. Here we go...


Wal-mart feeding soil with added perlite 15% and 1 cup of blood meal and 1 cup bone meal per 1 cu. ft. bag of soil.

Pure Blend Grow and Pure Blend Bloom. Foxfarm Bigbloom 1 time in early flower. Superthrive 1 time in early flower. Earth Juice Bloom for mid to late flowering.

The Lime is optional depending on your water ph. If your water is alkaline (7.0 or higher) don't add the lime. BOG

This link will show you a hardy just cut plant that was grown using my simplest method.

http://www.overgrow....0&pagenumbe r=1

Contrary to some misinformation Blood meal and Bone meal are entirely organic.
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which is located in this thread (organics forum):
http://www.overgrow....d.php?t=3418 56

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The old recipe was located in this thread, ironically in the newbie area:
http://www.overgrow....d.php?t=1835 10

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And my analysis of his mixtures using unit conversion is as follows:

You see I completely read both your sticky post and the link in it (the one of the first page) and I saw you posted two different recipes there. I used the one that is the least potent, here is one of the formulas:

"I use Wal-Mart Continuous Feeding formula potting soil with 5-10% perlite added for aeration and drainage. I add 2 cups of bone and blood meal to every 10 gallons of soil. I feed Pure Blend grow in veg and I transplant 3 times. Starting in 1 qt pots then 2 gallon pots then 4 gallon pots." - bog

Since most people work with cu ft of soil I will now translate this using dry unit conversions, I assumed 5-10% means of the original soil not the finished total as he states add:

10 gallon [US, dry] = 1.55557 cubic foot
2 cup [US] = 0.0167101 cubic foot
.078 cu ft of perlite - .16 cu ft of perlite

makes approx 1.709 cu ft of soil this being the breakdown:
90.9% non-organic cheap soil mix
1% Blood meal
1% bone meal
7% perlite

Here is your other formula that is given, this is what I followed since it seemed to be the most complete, and included lime:

"Soil Mix is easy get Sam’s Choice, Magic Earth with fertilizer (.09-.06-.05) in already and mix 2/3 cup of blood meal and 2/3 cup of bone meal into each 3 gal pot. By adding 2 tablespoons of dry lime to mix you help flowering and avoid over-acidity. Wal-Mart has this kind and it is cheap! Many prefer to use 5 gallon pots. You should add 10% perlite for good air to the roots and good drainage."

3 gallon [US, dry] = 0.466671 cubic foot
0.6666666 cup [US] = 0.00557 cubic foot
10% perlite is .0467 cu ft
lime percentage is insignificant

.5197 cu ft of soil made, here is the breakdown:

89.8% non-organic cheap soil
1.07% Blood meal
1.07% Bone meal
8.9% perlite

Both of these mixes make a very dense soil that compacts easily and does not drain well. Besides the fact that they are pretty hot for a lot of plants....

Here is your new mix in the organic forums which seems to be a lot better:

Wal-mart feeding soil with added perlite 15% and 1 cup of blood meal and 1 cup bone meal per 1 cu. ft. bag of soil.

1 cu ft soil
1 cup [US] = 0.008355 cubic foot
.15 cu ft perlite

Breakdown of the new formula:
Makes 1.166 cu ft of soil,
85.8% non-organic cheap soil
.7% Blood meal
.7% Bone meal
12.86% perlite

As you can see the hot mix has 53% MORE blood and bone meal by final build than the new mix....

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I made the above post at bogs nesting grounds at og and have not gotten a reply by him... But some of the other guys there have given me a thumbs up for it.


(Message edited by phucknut68 on November 20, 2004)

[rio]

Wow your plants are growing fast!
Great job!

[phucknut68]

yeah they dont call it a weed for nothing. ty... I am working on transplanting the others, the ones I did transplant a week or two ago have done excellent, vs those who stayed in the BOG soil mix which are mostly showing problems, a few seem ok. Tonight the last ones will get moved over into a pro-mix / perlite mixture. I just got some more perlite