Well shit.. I'm back (SA's Bulk)
Posted 20 September 2007 - 12:46 PM
:) Not sure how to modestly answer that, TJ.. you challenging me to a duel? lol I still do my cakes actually... and actually I have plans to combine the two ways of growing that doesn't involve crumbling the cakes.. hoping it turns out well. :thumbup:
Posted 20 September 2007 - 01:31 PM
Posted 20 September 2007 - 01:31 PM
Can't wait to see what's next :amazed:
Posted 20 September 2007 - 07:48 PM
(this is for that initial tub that I posted.. the other two were made about 1.5 days after and took about the same time but I cased that other tub at the same time because I didn't want to have to pasteurize again).
1. about 8 days for the Hpoo/straw to colonize.
2. I exposed the tubs to light immediately after I made them... they started knotting up about 2 days after they were colonized.. so at day 10
3. I cased on day ten and saw pins popping thru about two days later. The casing didn't colonize very much at all. :thumbup:
Posted 20 September 2007 - 10:55 PM
usually the straw boxes i use colonize in
4-6 days and i case immediately.. and i think.. the casing starts to compact itself while it waits.. or grows through it too much.. or SOMETHING! whatever it is.. i think ill try casing after 8 or 9 days so ive got something like youve got going on..
thanks for the info!! you tha shit!!
how did your speech go?
did you vomit everywhere in nervousness?
Posted 20 September 2007 - 11:02 PM
the cubes lay down when they are uncased:
i think i agree..
but, ive had casings not fruit in the middle, but on the sides (for whatever horrific reason) and the shrooms will do the same thing.. and on a recent (failed) casing, there were only two small ones that popped up, right in the middle, and they were leaners.
but that might have been due to something else..
But then again the reflection thing does seem to sound legit..
maybe there grow too fast and get to heavy some how, and lean..
Anyhoo.. are you going to pick those SA's while they are still rocket tops or are you going to let them pop??
Posted 20 September 2007 - 11:46 PM
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:03 AM
so I already knew going into this grow that I had a winner as far as a performing substrain.. I also aired these bins out every day from the day that I made the bins.. I learned from my bag experiments that it's better to give them a little air than let them sit and risk bacterial infection.. vert will set in very fast too. So no foil or syran wrap or anything of that sort covered the substrate directly sitting on top while it colonized.. I did have the press n seal lid w/tiny holes.. this left the entire space of the tub for a humid environment but didn't suffocate the substrate, promoting bacteria growth... when I did that PE bulk tub, the center didn't colonize... I found out that this was because I covered the top of the substrate right after I made it and poked holes in it to let air in.. this wasn't enough.. bacteria set in and the bin did quite bad as I soon learned... most of the pins formed around the outer edges where some air was available. And if you only air the bin out once or twice a day, thats plenty of CO2 to promote myc. growth but keep bacteria infection at bay. :) again, these are just my findings... take em or leave em, ya know? ;) I don't case these bins thick at all either... 1/4 inch is all they are.. I think 1 inch is way too much... you're just looking to get the pins started... they don't need to have to go thru an inch of material to get air and light.. so thats another factor that can determine the outcome.. there are just so freakin many that it's really hard to pinpoint why your bin only made two pins in the middle one time but none in the middle the other but did pin on the sides.. I think that a lot of the times one could say that you should do say.. one thing... but then if you do that one thing too much it'll just start causing that problem itself, know what I mean? there is a fine line right down the center that you need to walk. :) as far as the light and bending stems.. I def. think that it's at least partly true.. I mean light reflects off the white surface that is lightly covered in water which probably helps magnify it too.. that and if theres no other fruits around to help keep it straight... I think you could easily see this with the bending stems... if they bend, it's light caused... if the stem is straight, but the fruit is bending at the point where the fruits connects to the substrate.. it weight caused.. how strong the strains adheres to the substrate is also a factor.. could be anything really. lol :)
Thanks for the kind words, orchid. :thumbup: good luck goes out to you! your plan sounds good.. hips dunk does wonders for a cake starting out. and my roll does a nice job of creating a small micro climate on the cake.. also gets the water off the cake from the dunk nicely ;) no real need to put THAT many holes in the bin... cut that number in half along with the amount of perlite and just air it out a few times a day and you're golden.. or you could do it RR's way but I don't have experience with that style. just seems like a lot of work putting all those damn holes in there. and I didn't get paid for that shit. lol I said he could use my pics but he mis labeled some strains and gave me credit for someone elses cake... think it was the last one they showed.. the individual hand held one.. thats not mine. but anyhoo.. lol I'm sure you'll do great. it's hard to fuck up cakes.. thats why I like them so much. dunk it, case it, put it on foil on top of some perlite, air it out.. pretty simple. :)
So heres the last installment of this thread's pics.. I'll probably pick these tomorrow.. I like to have them open a little, seee.. if theres anything that I love more than growing and eating these damn things, it's taking pics and showing them to you fine people. :thumbup:
faht man slim
P.S. I'll probably give a second flush update when it comes in. :)
P.P.S. EDIT: I reread this and there might be a little confusion in the 2nd paragraph after the pic of the pf "tower" so give it a read if interested.. it's about covering the substrate while it colonizes (not to do it).. very important if you want the entire substrate to perform well.. I.E. the center as well as the edges. :)
Posted 21 September 2007 - 02:11 AM
Posted 21 September 2007 - 09:29 AM
Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:04 AM
Uh, yeah, that isolate is a keeper... I've never gotten a flush even remotely that good looking from SA's off a cake, though my trays put out great flushes with isolates that do only so-so on cakes. I may get fat flushes, but not quite Faht flushes. :bow:
Nice work! Love the pics...
Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:23 AM
well, I know I said that's it until the second flush.. but I thought, why not show the other two bins to their maturity.. That and I figured out that I had finger prints on my lens... No wonder all the pics were coming out extra blurry and a pita to clean up.. LOL I'm kind of dumb.. If I had a buck for everytime I did that, I'd have like six bucks. :rasta: I need to quit smokin so much herbage.
This grow has exceeded every expectation I had for it. even that non cased tub blows my mind. maybe I should have listened to all the peeps telling me to try bulk.... but then again, there wouldn't be so many nice pics of cakes, would there? hooray for the cake! but now on with the bulk! ;) god I love, freaking love mushrooms!
I have to go buy more baskets and fans. man I love "problems" like that. :thumbup:
Posted 22 September 2007 - 01:06 AM
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 04:16 AM
Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:46 AM
Posted 22 September 2007 - 02:16 PM
i see your still using the press n seal. i also notice your bins are the shorter bins. how is that working for you? ive since returned back to the saran wrap. i don't need to fan this way. its definitely a problem with the press n seal. it keeps so much moisture and co2 in that i have to constantly fan it with a hairdryer. now, with saran wrap, nothing is done except maybe opening the corners during the fruiting stage when the moisture buildup is heavy. thats some excellent results man. i need so start some isolations using your teks you suggested. i went looking for the aquarium silicone at home depot but they didn't have it. im about to pickup some atv glue as well as some aquarium glue so i can give that clone tek a try. im approaching the time soon to get some of your methods in action and look very forward to it.....nice results!:bow:
yeah i think the cubes do lay down a bit more when uncased but at times they are very regular looking flushes. depending on how far away your bins are from the light source. to me the more diffused it is, the more scattered your flush will be. i told you bulk rocked! now you can say i told you so...
one thing that differs in what i do compared to most people is the lack of casing. i do agree that casings will give you better yield. but at times using no casing and duking the substrate speeds up your flushing. so to me where you lose yield you actually make up for with speed and later flushes. its really all in the eye of the beholder but less work to me is always a plus.
but it is sometimes a headache picking flushes like that but to me its fun. you end up getting a giant handfull of caps. like a flower bouquet. excellent!
hey faht, i came up with something im posting on my eatyu's how to thread that i think you might like. it makes the saran wrap/press n seal lid bins easier to stack. what i did was buy some 69cent plant stability rods from walmart. i placed two each on the bin and then placed the next bin above that. so it saves you a bit more room.
Posted 22 September 2007 - 03:29 PM
those are actually regular 54 qt. tall bins.. the substrate alone is 5 inches deep.. the average fruit ranges from about 8-12 inches long. I looked back thru those pics and it does seem a little hard to see how long they are.. I would say that there is between 5-8 dry oz per bin at least. thats why I'm so impressed.
I'm a little confused as to how plastic press n seal breathes less than plastic syran wrap. lol they are both made to be non breathable.. as I understand it.. I actually poke a tiny hole about every two inches in my P N S lids.. thats why I love the lids so much.. they stick and I can very easily poke holes in them.. to allow for air exchange. I also have a fan in the closet blowing across the top of the bins about a foot above them... so it's not directly on them, but the tiny holes get some air movement. to each their own... I actually think that the non cased bins' fruits are meatier than the cased ones... so what it didn't have in numbers it had in muscle. lol so it's very debatable and we could argue (kindly mind you, I'm not being aggressive in any way brotha ;) ) in circles for hours, but I would enjoy those hours greatly! :)
Yeah, the rods idea is a good one... If I didn't have so much room in my walk in closet I would put it to use... I'm sure many will use the info for years to come! thanks for the kind words my good friend. :headbang:
And if I can get a seasoned vet like you to FINALLY (lol) do isolation/cloning because of ease and easy to find materials, it's all been worth it. blow that shit the fuck up, yo! woot woo!! god I love life.
Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:17 AM