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#1 Hippie3

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:30 PM

say hypothetically
one took a spawn bag of fully colonized grain
cut it open
mixed the grain 50/50 with damp coir
shaped it like a brick of sorts
then wrapped it in wax paper
to 'run the casing' and fruit.
think it might work ?

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 12:57 PM

Heck yeah! I'll try it if you want. I've got some wbs spawn about to be finished up. I've got a lot of coir too. I think that the strain i'm working with now would be a fantastic invitro fruiter.

#3 Hippie3

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:09 PM

i was thinking
rubber bands
to hold w/paper in place

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:17 PM

I like the sounds of this :) going to be a bit before for my next batch though.

Peace...

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:19 PM

wouldnt that limit air circulation too much?

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:42 PM

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 02:12 PM

Yep, sounds good to me. Wrapped like a parcel it would make a nice neat package. :)

#8 Hippie3

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:05 PM

wouldnt that limit air circulation too much?


perhaps
of coure the rigidness of the waxpaper would preclude a air-tight seal,
and one could un-wrap for fresh air exchanges daily [as needed]
i'm just brain-storming a way for mycro-bag users
to get a good flush w/out resorting to terraiums, perlite, etc.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 09:18 PM

sounds like a log to me

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 02:31 AM

I'd try it if I'd the coir to spare. I suppose it wouldn't be as good with verm...possible though? Perhaps if I could do a 4:3:1 wbs:verm:coir ratio? I've got wbs colonizing.

I do like the neglect/invitro aspect to it!

Would be hilarious to make 'em and stack 2-high by the dozen. Who could guess what they were before fruiting?

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 03:41 AM

I guess I'm wondering what you are doing this for?

What do you do with these things once they start fruiting? You would need something to keep the moisture up, like a terrarium which you are trying to get rid of, else it seems you would get small fruit and more than likely caps would crack.

Why not just make your spawn bags with grain and coir?

Why not just let the grain colonize, cut open, add coir and close again, let colonize some more, then birth in bag?

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 04:47 AM

I would think the wax paper would allow too much air exchange during the substrate run. I've not been much of a fan of filter patch bags, although you can split them open and fruit right in the bag as a mini terrarium.
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#13 Hippie3

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 05:52 AM

lol @ people who think
they know what will happen
before ever trying it.
that's not how science/research works, friends.

as for replenishing water-
dunk.
that's why the coir.
and rodg-
if you ever try what you suggest
you'll soon see why it's not a very good way at all
esp. after 1st flush

#14 Hippie3

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 05:57 AM

Why not just make your spawn bags with grain and coir?


sure, one could do that.
but
i'm aiming this tek
at the folks who don't make their own bags
also coir in the bag means less grain,
grain needs PCing, coir doesn't
so it's more 'efficient'
to PC the grain and use it
in a manner similar to the rez effect casing.
since the grain would be fully colonized
it's not big thing to add moisture to the brick
as needed just as one would do for a casing.

#15 Hippie3

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 06:00 AM

You would need something to keep the moisture up, like a terrarium which you are trying to get rid of, else it seems you would get small fruit and more than likely caps would crack.


the WAX in the wax paper will seal in most of the moisture well enough.
the size of the shrooms is pretty much irrelevant,
total weight is much more to the point.
cracked caps ? who cares ?
eat 'em anyway.
;)

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 06:38 AM

How bout if the substrate was formed and wrapped like a big Hershi's kiss chocolate, the wide base could slow water loss and make for easy opening/monitoring...may have to use 2 pieces, to make a wax paper cross so there's enough to fold up the sides.....jusathought....

#17 Hippie3

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 06:56 AM

a pyramid shape ?
might be worth a try,
cubs do like edges...

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 08:00 AM

quote:
"and rodg-
if you ever try what you suggest
you'll soon see why it's not a very good way at all
esp. after 1st flush"

Which way would that be? I've gone through hundreds of filter patch spawn bags and have decided not to buy any more. I've never had even close to the performance with them that I get from jars.
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#19 Hippie3

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 08:49 AM

agreed
which is exactly why i'm working
to change that equation.
the 'way' to which i was refering
was your suggestion,
i.e. "split them open and fruit right in the bag"
i've tried that but was less than satisfied.
i have a pretty strong hunch
that my little idea here would work better.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 11:08 AM

I have an extra jar of GT ready now so i'll mix n wrap ...Then weigh it so we can see what the rate of moisture loss is ...One big hershy kiss for u big boy...I'll send a pic later..




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