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#21 candykid420

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 09:05 PM

This might work, Hip. I'm def. interested in trying it myself.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 06:08 AM

sounds like a log to me


i can see that,
same sort of general principles in play,
wax paper instead of plastic
coir instead of straw
smaller too.
but yeah, kinda like a mini-log.
i just sent a FOAF a few bags of rye
to test my hypothesis.
should know more in a few weeks or so.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 06:12 AM

I have an extra jar of GT ready now so i'll mix n wrap ...Then weigh it so we can see what the rate of moisture loss is ...One big hershy kiss for u big boy...I'll send a pic later..


Xcellent
onward thru the fog!

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 11:27 AM

Ok..3 GT qts Mixed with verm/mulch worm poo at 1:1 spawn ratio.
1 wax paper kiss and 1 foil kiss, to be left in ordinary room conditions- 70-80F and 30%-50% rh with daylight...weight 1589 and 1563 grams...
1 small casing of similar volume treated as usual in a growing chamber but no incubation period... http://mycotopia.net...ntid=3844&stc=1

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#25 Hippie3

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 07:25 AM

those look pretty cool too
but i wonder if that isn't too much airspace,
that's why i was thinking brick-like
i guess we shall see.
thx for helping.
:)

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 07:44 AM

The Hershey Kiss tek! Good luck on that Golly.

#27 Hippie3

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:40 AM

the nice thing about the wax paper
is that it lets light thru
whereas of course, foil does not.

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:42 AM

quote:
"and rodg-
if you ever try what you suggest
you'll soon see why it's not a very good way at all
esp. after 1st flush"

Which way would that be? I've gone through hundreds of filter patch spawn bags and have decided not to buy any more. I've never had even close to the performance with them that I get from jars.
RR


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RR, why not bags?

#29 Hippie3

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:48 AM

if it was deleted
then that means
don't just re-post it.
instead look at the thread list,
i moved your off-topic post
to it's own thread.

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:51 AM

if it was deleted
then that means
don't just re-post it.
instead look at the thread list,
i moved your off-topic post
to it's own thread.


Sorry.

I just don't get some of the judgement calls, but it is your house.

I get it, ON TOPIC. ;)

#31 Hippie3

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 09:30 AM

what's to 'get' ?
thread title says what the focus/ topic is.
i just don't want this thread to be
detoured into
an entirely different subject.
i have other plans.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 04:53 PM

i have a question about the coir, is it a suitable nutritious substrate on its own?

if this works, could one concieveably do verm+manure bricks, for a more nutritious substrate?

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:55 PM

i have a question about the coir, is it a suitable nutritious substrate on its own?

if this works, could one concieveably do verm+manure bricks, for a more nutritious substrate?


Manure and Coir

wpould be more nutritious than

Manure and verm

#34 Hippie3

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:56 PM

coir is slightly nutritious but less than straw/manure
more however than vermiculite

a more nutritious substrate really isn't the goal,
cubs thrive better on low nutes than on high.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 06:35 PM

really? i always thought u were looking to get the most nutes, which is why we use BRF as opposed to regular RF, and we use manure and straw, as opposed to just fruiting the spawn

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 07:03 PM

My big foil kiss will have to be cracked open at the top for light and a couple of small holes in the base for air exchange cause it will def contam if i dont..
Now the wax paper kiss - I'm not sure how much air moves through it ,i think it will need a couple of vents too..
In 2 days the wax paper kiss has lost 44cc of water to evapouration thru 2 layers.
The foil kiss has lost 8cc water.
So extrapolating that number ,in 2 weeks the wax will have transpired 616 cc water
or 21/2cups .Sooo i think there must be additional controls to slow the loss...

#37 Hippie3

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 05:22 AM

since the grain is fully colonized
you can just open the waxpaper
and mist the coir brick...

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 05:51 AM

interesting you would post this hip.....
I currently have a mini-laundry basket type container with castings and coir that is pinning in a big oven bag with some holes poked in it. The funny thing is it was my first time working with castings and all I ever read was warnings to not make them too muddy...so I made em too dry lol. So colonizatiion was pretty delayed and now there are pins on both sides of the basket but the top of the bin is only like 25% poked through. I wish I could get some pics for ya. THe oven bag is pretty tight, but I wonder if I wrapped it like a christmas present in wax paper if it would do better

#39 Hippie3

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 06:00 AM

really? i always thought u were looking to get the most nutes, which is why we use BRF as opposed to regular RF, and we use manure and straw, as opposed to just fruiting the spawn


not exactly.
no need to use brown rice,
i stopped years ago
and use plain white with great results,
no difference.
as for bulk substrates like straw/manure,
while they do add some [not much tho] nutes,
the main purpose , relative to the question you posed,
is to increase the mycellial mass itself
by giving it huge amounts of area to cover.
the mycellial mass is a single living organism,
and the larger it gets
the faster it can eat and grow and pin, etc.
and the more it can yield as well.
so it's bigger/more=better,
not richer [nute-wise]

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 06:04 AM

vroota,
it's be interesting to see that
but only if you can risk it,
wouldn't want to abort a flush in progress
just for an experiment.




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