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#241 Psychenaut

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 09:45 PM

I've been consuming my own Ayhuasca for the last 10 years, I don't know about you but I noticed the MAOI effects all through the day after I consume the brew. I've read other places that the mono amine oxidase inhibiting effects last well over 24 hours after use, and from my expiernce I'd agree.

It's much more noticable with a strong brew, strong enough to make me purge easily and decrease the nasia drastically. . this is when I really tend to feel the positive anti depresent effects the next day. It's a very content and calm emotional state that I find very enjoyable. :)

All Hail the brain soup!!!!!! lol

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 10:13 PM

I get a calm feeling which is quite rare for me these days with doses of syrian rue. Its a good feeling. I have also used rue to potentiate an lsd trip. It delayed the peak but after entering hyperspace the peak lasted for nearly five hours on a medium dose of clean acid. The only downside was when I found my salvia extract and mixed it with some herb. After doing this I felt uneasy and anxious, and paranoid even. I remember thinking to myself, man this is beautiful paranoia :) I should also note that this was after the peak and well into the comedown. So I really need to do some more experiments with it before I can determine a usual outcome (for me) without any other chemicals in the mix.
With mescaline i view maois as a definite no no due to the health risks involved, although i have read posts here of some using this combination with good results. I consider these folks lucky after hearing some of our more experienced members views. I remember Hippie3 saying something to the effect of dangerous or fatal results due to skyrocketing blood pressure when combined with mescaline. Hip, if you read this could you please elaborate on this danger? I would like to get as much info about maoi/drug combos as possible in this thread.

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 10:38 PM

I love my San Pedro! I've never thought about doing a non tryptamine based psyche. with Harmaline. I love the mellow vibration of Mescaline and the only thing I've "mixed" with it is MDA, I found that to be very pleasant and interesting introspectively yet still easy to socialise at the same time. Over all though Mescaline alone is very homey to me, never felt much need to mix stuff with it. . I just did the MDA experiement cause of them being releated to eachother. .I real interest was to try it with TMA-2 but I just didn't have the resources to do that. Oh well. The combination was still beautifull :)

I've been told by a friend that using melatonin together with mescaline has bonus effect. Have to check that out sometime ;)

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 07:49 AM

Once this technique is perfected it will possible for anyone to explore the psychedelic experience free from the stigma of criminal activity and profiteering drug dealers.


LOL!!
jerks like that piss me off,
they like to think they're better
than others.
but i got news-
even if you gather your own materials from the wild,
you're still engaging in
'criminal activity' when you brew it up, mr. j. b. fleming.
you're no better than any other criminal, no better than a dealer.

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 07:54 AM

I remember Hippie3 saying something to the effect of dangerous or fatal results due to skyrocketing blood pressure when combined with mescaline. Hip, if you read this could you please elaborate on this danger? I would like to get as much info about maoi/drug combos as possible in this thread.


true enuff,
that is the common consensus.
really mesc is chemically and to an extent physiologically very similar to amphetamine, and the risk of combining an MAOI with amphetamine-like compounds should be obvious to any experienced experimenter.
ditto with opiates and barbituates, any compound that alters heartrate, breathing, etc. is dangerous when combined with MAOIs so one must dose wisely else possibly suffer adverse consequences perhaps even death.

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 09:37 AM

A ritual is a formalised, predetermined set of symbolic actions generally performed in a particular environment at a regular, recurring interval. The set of actions that comprise a ritual often include, but are not limited to, such things as recitation, singing, group processions, repetitive dance, manipulation of sacred objects, etc. The general purpose of rituals is to express some fundamental truth or meaning, evoke spiritual, numinous emotional responses from participants, and/or engage a group of people in unified action to strengthen their communal bonds. The word ritual, when used as an adjective, relates to the noun 'rite', as in rite of passage.
Rituals may express a part of a larger social doctrine, or simply of a personal one. In religion, a ritual can comprise the prescribed outward forms of performing worship, the cultus or cult of a particular observation within a religion or religious denomination. Although ritual is often used in context with worship performed in a church, the actual relationship between any religion's doctrine and its ritual(s) can vary considerably from religion to religion. Ritual often has a close connection with reverence, thus a ritual in many cases expresses reverence for a deity. Religious rituals have also included human sacrifice and other forms of ritual murder. In the occult, rituals are used as a process to achieve results. In Chaos magick, the theory behind ritual is that acting something out as if it were true causes the mind to believe that it is true. So belief, ritual and neuroscience are all linked.

Sociology

Outside worship and reverence, rituals can have a more basic sociological function in expressing, inculcating and reinforcing the shared values and beliefs of a society. Rituals range from the grand and ceremonial (such as royal coronations) to the trite and everyday (such as hand-shaking when people meet).
Among other rituals that are not religious in nature are graduation ceremonies, presidential inauguration ceremonies, and oaths of allegiance. Ritual thus is as much political as religious in orientation.
Rituals have formed a part of human culture for tens of thousands of years. The earliest known evidence of burial rituals dates from around 20,000 years ago. (Older skeletons show no signs of deliberate 'burial', and as such lack clear evidence of the materialization of ritual.)
Rituals can aid in creating a firm sense of group identity. Humans have used rituals to create a social bond and aleve the isolation that can be felt otherwise.

Psychology

In psychology, the term ritual sometimes refers to a specific action or series of actions that a person performs in a given context which otherwise has no apparent reason or purpose. The term may refer especially to compulsive behaviors of people afflicted with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual

#247 mindovermycelia

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 11:12 AM

to deny the spirit world is a foolish thing, ime, and to get involved with it without knowing how to deal with spirits can be very dangerous as well

they are all around us watching everything we do, this I know, and if they know you can sense them they will come in droves to fuck with your head

seeing is believing

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 03:36 PM

Durring the fall and summer and spring ayahuasca trips I enjoy doing it outdoors starting around 8pm so the trip starts as the sun sets (in the summer for example). I've noticed but crickets and other "bug noises" of the night seem to sing for you. Their rythm and melody seem to move with your thoughts and if you focus in on them you can anticipate their audio changes. . it's a feeling of bonding that is very reasuring to your existance on this earth. . for me anyway. I'm reminded of just what home is for this body I'm within.

As for ritual, the most I get into that is the paced time I dose, (around or on the equenox and solstice) and there are certain places I enjoy doing it. The preperation is also a bit of a ceremony for me. . . I've come to know that existance is in a state of constant change and I'm part of that existance. I don't like to connect my being to statically to certain superficial intentions/acts. So each experience is varied in how I go about it, introspecively and emotionally. To focus on the truth of the ever changing infinite moment we exsit in, to be honest with myself and to be within empathy of the life around me/within me are my "prayers".

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 01:42 PM

http://forums.ayahua...aef56cdf4c3e970

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 12:19 PM

The only difference I have noticed is that vine gives vivid metallic visuals, rue doesn't. The only reason for this i can think of is THH.


Here is a good quote from the thread:

I suspect this has more to do with 'set and setting' than anything else. If folks have a different emotional feeling about caapi than rue then that will strongly effect the experience. If someone believes that caapi has a 'spirit' and rue doesn't then obviously their experience of the two will be extremely different. Looking back through this thread I was struck by how little consistency there is between different peoples experiences. Some say caapi is more reliable, others that rue is more reliable. Some say caapi is 'wiser' others that rue is at least as wise. Some say rue is 'rougher' others that caapi can be at least as rough. etc etc.

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 12:26 PM

I know that your a big fan of ayahuasca, do you thin if i was to take caapi or rue extract place them in a gel cap pop it. Then maybe 30-45mins later take the DMT (already extracted) place that in a gel cap and then take it down it would work similar to ayahuasca?

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 12:41 PM

Sure it would work. It's called pharmahuasca. I've never done ayahuasca, but if I were to, I'd extract the rue/vine to harmine/harmaline crystals first. I'd eat the harmaline, then I'd convert the DMT freebase to the phosphate salt by mixing it into some caffeine-free diet Coke and drinking it 30 minutes later. Supposedly the DMT phosphate salt is the least nauseous of all...

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:02 AM

Done it a good dozen times dmt/rue gell capps

#254 phalanx

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:45 AM

Gel caps obviously work but i think a liquid dose would be more quickly and easily absorbed. May give more complete absorption too.

I tried gel capped mimosa powder once and it didnt work well. I think it was due to the gelatine combining with the powder to form a gummy indigestible blob in my stomach. You wouldnt have this problem with purified alkaloids, or rue i'd say.

Rue and purified dmt sounds like an easy combo to keep down, BUT go easy on the rue dose. The more you take, the greater the chance of sickness. I would advise the same for purified maoi extracts. Nausea seems to be part of the pharmacological effects, rather than due to "impurities".




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