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[LotRev]

Ensure proper sterilization, thwart many failures. Boiling/simmering substrate, possibly using additives, and microwaving has GREAT potential to ensure clean substrate.

Ensure proper sterilization, don't fumble around with bad
batches due to unnecessarily repeating incorrect technique.

It is better to save a new grower their prints and syringes by
suggesting proven methods than to let their inexperience waste
their hard earned money, which they were probably reluctant to
throw out on a not-so-sure deal in the first place.

I'm not even sure what you are trying to argue, or who with...

As a disclaimer, I am in no way a "dubbed guru."
And I would still recommend waiting to see if someone can
follow up with what they claim to be a working technique
before trying it...and that goes for noobs and gurus alike.
(since I have so much pull here)

[greenweanie]

Sorry but the point of me bothering to post in this thread
is to say that discouraging people from trying this
is 100% unbeneficial.

Posting my proof, or you posting your proof that contests
mine, is entirely outside of the point. People are discouraged from trying this
when they see such distaste for the idea by dubbed gurus.

Cultivating is not rocket science, to noobs who don't understand their failures it may seem like gypsy magic is required to have success. Satisfy the requirements - clean substrate to inoculate, and you're money.

Look in to the contams most people face. Ensure proper water quality, and thwart many failures. Ensure proper sterilization, thwart many failures. Boiling/simmering substrate, possibly using additives, and microwaving has GREAT potential to ensure clean substrate.

Discouraging experimentation results in fewer people looking in to ensuring water quantity, trying additives, or experimenting with various cooking times.

End point.

the glass is half empty also bro. They are not trying to say it "cant" be done. They are saying that it hasnt proved successful. So when they try to guide noobs on how to be successful, they point out ways that have proven itself. As of right now, the best proven method has to be pc'n ur substrate. Using the PC correctly damn near guarantees success, where as the microwave is a far cry to that. We all would love more ways to get the same results, but untill its proven that the same results can be repeated (successfully), u wont get much support from the crowd that has been down the same path of failure.

[hour]

And I recognize that there is evidence to suggest that it cannot be done, or isn't reliable, economical.

I don't care to appeal to new growers in particular, which is why I stated anyone interested in the science behind the hobby.

As far as this being worded as a reliable tek, I think the (?) rules that out.

Furthermore, he evidently can pull it off. PF tek..is a tek. Not everyone can pull it off.

I'm almost stunned regarding the implication that I view noob growers as guinnea pigs. I clearly stated it's much broader than this.

I don't feel noobs should attempt unreliable ideas, I agree it is a waste of spores. I stated this when I mentioned wood chips.

The fact of the matter is that without experimentation, everyone will remain the
southern white conservative stuck in their ways.

Microwave tek could prove more beneficial than any single other 'awakening' in this hobby. Nothing spawns from lack of experimentation - I reinstate my point is to NOT discourage every thread involving microwave sterilization. It's ENTIRELY different to discourage inoculation with tainted LC than it is to discourage microwave sterilization.

If you aren't certain that this won't work (none of you are), then remain open minded and allow experimentation to open up new doors.

[Hippie3]

Boiling/simmering substrate , possibly using additives, and microwaving has GREAT potential to ensure clean substrate.

if one uses the right substrate mix,
avoiding the more difficult types like wbs -
sure, those methods can get the job done,
esp. on a small batch basis.
the question really becomes
is it better ?
are you really getting any advantage going thru all that
instead of laying out the one-time cost of a pc ?
even fractional sterilization / tydalization can get the job done
if you're willing to spend 3 days processing a batch.
it boils down
not to just what is possible
but what is superior versus inferior/more difficult/costly/time-consuming.
all the big boys use autoclaves,
stereoclaves or pressure cookers -
from the big commercial mushroom farms to
professional bio-labs.
many ways to 'skin a cat', as they say.
no real best way, no right nor wrong,
but most agree that for best results
pressurized steam does the trick.

[hour]

I agree that many have walked down the same path, thrown out large amounts of corn, and called it quits. I agree that one should quit when it's worthless to try.

I'm sure not many of these folks tried grain additives, chemicals to aid in sterilization, dabbled with times, etc.

In a hobby attracting mushroom heads it's not impossible to realize that most of us are SIMPLY JOKES when boasting experiments, results, etc. Follow scientific method and you'll realize you're quitting way too early.

[LotRev]

So...does it work?

[hour]

it HAS worked and further experiments may show it to be a bit less.. inferior.

[Ras Asad]

hmm,
wouldnt that be nice, no PC!!!

but heck, I wont even consume something thats been in a microwave , I cant imagine growing something so sacred in it..

microwaves effing kill water for christ's sake. lol
nice idea tho.

[gsmith1981]

any pictures? people would like to see proof.:horse:

[hour]

mmk

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[Hippie3]

that's your faht-style 30-kernel jar correct ?
actually very nice.
:bow:
of course you do understand that
very few grow at that scale.
you say you used the sal. acid antibiotic on it as well as boiled then 'waved ?

[prism]

Yeah, thats a nice personal yeild for 30 kernals!! Kudos:rasta:

[Seee]

hmmm
im with ras on this!
maybe if it was called the mycowave..


id like to see proof of this as well..

[MrMycelium]

hmmm
im with ras on this!
maybe if it was called the mycowave..

lol

[Ras Asad]

yeah that does look good man. thanx:bow:

[driveslow]

swim told me to tell you guys all you need to do is take one of those ziplock twist n lock medium sized containers make a 1/4in. polyfil fae hole, fill it up 3/4 full with pre hydrated popcorn, nuke for 5 minutes, and biggity-bam you got a sterilized jar of pcorn. swim says they scrape spore prints with a knife and quickly open the lid and rub the knife around in there and close it up and wait. swim says they have been sucessful with this technique 29/30 times. heres a link to prove it works.

http://mycotopia.net...-oak-ridge.html

and heres the pcorn hydration link

http://mycotopia.net...tent-right.html

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[losfreddy]

my current results. Trust me, this is a good method. still in experimetation. You welcome to try

[Hippie3]

trust me ?
lol
:lol:

[losfreddy]

meant to do this

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[losfreddy]

how it works, by my understanding is that the bird seed is sterilized mostly as it is boiled and also swells up with water. Then the concept in the microwave is that you don't want the moisture to escape and dry up. by wrapping in plastic it further sterilizes the birdseed with steam and holds the moisture in at the same time. Main way i see for contamination is a spoiled syringe or print or unsafe practices..

and just for the disclamiers, i'm new to mycotopia but have been growing mushrooms since early 2004. I lost my good PCer in the move so i began experimenting with microwave sterilization.