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#1 LotRev

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 08:08 PM

Hello there,

If one were to hypothetically brew an ayahuasca admixture
with a crockpot or slow cooker, what temperature would
the cooker need to be at to properly extract the brew?

The setting should be on low I believe, but I was trying to
get a real good reading on temperatures.

The hypothetical process would involve a brew of:
Ayahuasca Vine (Banisteriopsis Caapi )
Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala)
Chaliponga (Diplopterys Cabrerana)
Hawaiian Chacruna (Psychotria Viridis)

I am unsure of the amounts of each at this time (still debating).
Any suggestions to a first timer with a bit of experience in the
psychedelic realm (including DMT) and someone who doesn't mind
losing it for the entire night?

This combination might be for the more experienced, so perhaps
a lesser mixture would be appropriate, although I don't mind
diving head first into hypothetical situations. Any thoughts?


Pretty simple process:

Soak the Ayahuasca for a number of hours in hot water
Twist and break up the Aya vine, then cut into smaller pieces, then grind

Grind and powder all other materials, and add to crockpot

Add distilled water, as much as necessary to fill pot with all materials inside
Add lemon juice for acidity (a couple tablespoons)

Add Ayahuasca to the mixture along with the water it was soaked in

Do three washes this way with cheesecloth filtration between washes
Run each wash for about 24 hours

Combine washes, heat to near boil
Add Jello to mixture, hope for globs to form
Refridgerate, separating layers of gunk and good

Dispose of gunk (Jello)

Drink the brew.


Hypothetically, of course, what do you think?

This is almost an exact replication of the https://mycotopia.ne...does-ayahuasca/thread.


Edited by Sidestreet, 05 September 2016 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:20 PM

I've read quite a lot of stuff regarding what you're proposing and have drawn no real conclusions myself. Not sure I entirely understand the process. I would imagine the crock pot temp. should be set to "low" based upon all of the various recipes I've read tho.
Should you go through with it, please post your hypothetical results (good or bad). I'm very interested in cutting through the mystery regarding this process.
It seems that you can find tons of recipes for 'shroom tea, cactus tea, complex A/B extractions for mescaline (some requiring a degree in chemistry), etc. which state clearly "I've done this and it works great". Regarding ayahuasca brews, I have yet to see such a statement or even a consistently endorsed recipe.
Good luck with your hypothesis and please post your findings.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 12:02 AM

you should read the link then
because i clearly state my brew does work.
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Posted 02 December 2007 - 03:16 AM

It seems that you can find tons of recipes for 'shroom tea, cactus tea, complex A/B extractions for mescaline (some requiring a degree in chemistry), etc. which state clearly "I've done this and it works great". Regarding ayahuasca brews, I have yet to see such a statement or even a consistently endorsed recipe.
Good luck with your hypothesis and please post your findings.



I think it may seem this way because the brew can be tweaked in so
many ways with so many ingredients. Everyone has their own favorite
flavor or is trying to achieve certain effects within the experience. Their
are a range of teks from a simple boil the vine and drink, to all kinds of
complex admixture formulas meant to take you where you are trying to
go.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 11:46 AM

true 'nuff.
but the basic recipe of
shredded caapi vine and viridis leaves
brewed slowly over low heat for a few days
in acidified water
will certainly work
assuming enough is used/brewed.

where many go wrong is trying to get by
using a bare minimum amount of materials,
primarily due to the cost factor.

but that's poor judgement in it neglects
to account for the high variability of alkaloid content in vegetation
as well as factors like the fineness of the grind, freshness of materials ,
exact ph used , temp and length of the brewing, etc.

my advice is to always brew at least 2-3 'doses' worth
at a time just in case more is needed for a breakthrough.

so instead of using 1 ounce of caapi and 1 ounce of viridis in a brew,
toss in say a quarter pound [ 4 ounces ] of each,
and if you have it
throw in a little rue and chaliponga too,
in the 'huasca realm more = better ,
in the jungle they brew big cauldrons
with enough for dozens to imbibe for a week long vision.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 03:35 PM

Thanks for the tips!

Supplies aren't abundant, but there is plenty enough to follow
the brew from your thread Hip, so I think I will do that...

Was your syrian rue amount plenty?
Would you suggest any adjustments to that formula?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 04:07 PM

heres how i do it and it never fails. i dont really see the point of small batches so i guesstimate a gram ammount of each ingredient for a single nights ass wompin dose and multiply everything by 10. i dont want to mention vendors but my usual brew consists of syrian rue and mimosa hostilis. i usually stick to the same vendors but the ratio of rue to mimosa never really changes too much. i will guesstimate it takes 5g rue and 15g mimosa, i always go 1:3 rue:mimosa no matter the size of the batch, my usual is 100g rue and 300g mimosa, that yields between a half gallon to a gallon of mondo potent brew, like 3 shots and your leavin your body.
so weigh up all your ingredients and grind them to dust with a coffee grinder. put them in a large crockpot and add the following like 4 oz lemon juice, 2Tbs ginger powder, 1Tbs cinamin powder, and 10g ascorbic acid(vitamin C) (thats about how much i put for my avg batch size; 100g rue 300g mimosa) the vitC is especially vital in my opinion. add water until everything can be mixed easily, i like to mix it up real good and leave it on super low all night, the next day i crank it to high and stir til it steams, once i see plenty of steam i dump the whole pot through a fairly course stainless steel screen thats bowl-shaped the screen/bowl is sitting in a funnel sitting in a gallon glass jug(i use glass cuz the liquid will be very hot). i fill the screen up and use a spoon to squeeze all the juice out, once the screen is full of dryish plant matter i scoop that matter out and save it in a bowl for the next pull, keep adding more muck to the screen until you have an empty pot and a bowl full of dryish plant muck. then add more water and repeat until you've done 3 or more pulls, you will notice the liquid will get more and more clear everytime and when it hardly changes the color of the water anymore than you've done it. throw the exhuasted plant matter away. you should have between 2 and 3 gallons of diluted ayahuasca. i like to let the jugs sit for 24 hours so all the silt that passed through the screen settles to the bottom and you can decant the liquid away from it (pour slowly to remove all liquid and leave silt behind). pour the (now) solid free liquid into the pot (clean) and reduce it on low to medium heat, since it is completely solid free there is nothing sitting on the bottom and therefore is far less likely to burn. while the bulk of the liquid is reducing i like to add fresh water to the silt jugs and shake them up and then let them settle again, depending on how dank the water looks after settleage i might do this a few times, i like to overkill everything. ok after the silt is free of goodies toss it too. so now you have a pot with nothing but water and things that are water soluable (the goods), i turn the burner on just high enough that i see a little steam and point a fan at it, stir as often as you can, it takes a long time to boil off 2 gallons of water so just get a feel for how long it can be left unatended before it forms skin, if you check on it and it has skin you left it alone a little too long, check more often. once you get down to about a half gallon or so then it will need prettymuch constant attention, it starts to get a little thicker and more inclined to burn. i usually go for max concentration, i turn the burner to high medium and stir constantly until its looks noticabley thicker than water, im not talking thick as syrup but not as thin as water, its done! pour it into your final storage vessal, (maybe even run it through a shirt to be sure remove any hair or anything that may have floated in during the long boil-down). serve warm, for longterm storage go with the freezer. since its potency is unknown start with like 1/4 to 1/2 oz and wait an hour to see what ya see before you take more, take it slow cuz if you used decent ingredients and didnt burn it, it will be holy hella potent.

-I have tried most every method of brewing ayahuasca (phosphoric, acetic, HCl) and this method yields by far the strongest ayahuasca i've ever seen and its cake, lemon and vitC are not harmfull so the worst case scenario if you use too much is extra awful taste. i hate having things like "did i use too much phosphoric acid?" or "OH god i hope all the HCl is gone!" run through my head when i am trippin.
-I tried the gelatin thing many a times and i would never use it again, it most definetly did not help the flavor and it just made the brew go all chunky/nasty when it gets cold, i saw no real benefit to using gelatin and its not really natural as far brewing an ancient sacrement in the jungle goes.
-you would think the goal of good brew is not to cause nausea but this is NOT the case. if you didnt purge then you didnt experience ayauhasca. the purge is as integral to the experience as anything else you feel. ive had people take 5 shots of strong brew and feel little to nothing and then next time they take 1 shot of the same brew and purge it they are unable to speak, unable to move, trippin infinitly harder than they were on 5 shots. the purge is a must, dont look at it as a bad thing, its absolutely necassary.
- the recipe listed above will yield brew that will taste worse than doom and it will curdle your guts like nothing you've ever experienced. it is made that way on purpose. drink it, do whatever you have to to keep it down for 20min (bare minimum 15min) and let it fly, if i somehow am not nauseas enough to let er fly then i will get some brew on my finger, go stand by the toilet and take a nice big whiff of it, thats usually does it, maybe take a little taste. you simply must vomit if you want the full ayahuasca experience, anyone experienced with ayahuasca will tell the trip goes 1000 times crazier right after the purge, this crazy rise in intensity is accompanied by the amazing relief of getting that gut-wrenching juice OUT. its amazing
- but anyway thats how i do it, if you want to know more just ask.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 04:33 PM

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Thanks so much Andy...

After reading the first line, I remembered that you're crazy :lol:

No, but really, that all sounds good- nice and simple also

I have heard very little about the geletin use in way of it is better
or worse until now. Hip said his was excessively sweet, so I figured
Lime would be the way to go, but now I think I may go for what might
be the more pure method with no Jello.

You prefer the mimosa eh? Well I'm sure you've got plenty of that
laying around anyway...

I'm out of mimosa, and would prefer the more generic brew the first
time anyhow.

I have heard people say that the purge is a must, and purging doesn't
really bother me-I have always enjoyed the rush just after a good purge,
although the actual purging can be a pain sometimes. I do think though
that many people have reported positive results without the purge. I would
bet that puking brings out all kinds of other chemicals in your body, which
may intensify the experience, plus you always feel better after that.


btw Andy: I have always wanted to tell you how much your avatar creeps
me out...I mean really, a face made of DMT? That's pretty creepy.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 04:51 PM

yeah i was totally not impressed by the jello method. its not so much that i prefer the mimosa but its strong as shit and good chacruna is hard to come by. and yes i do have loads of it laying usually. same thing with rue, i dont prefer it but its potent and cheap. i did make some purely authentic brew (meaing just caapi and chacruna) and it was amazing, the caapi feeling is so much smoother than the rue. the only thing was, it was expensive and didnt go to far cuz you had to drink lots of it. if you have a good connect for high quality caapi then its the shit. i never noticed too much difference in effects between mimosa or chacruna other than taste but caapi is most definetly better than rue, i can trip so mega hard on caapi and love it, but sometimes on rue i cant stop thinking about dying for some reason, rue is a rocky road. oh yeah the purge itself sucks, intensly unpleasant for me usually. but its so worth it. i always imagine the brew like a sponge, it goes into your body and sucks up evil negative energy and whathaveyou and then you throw that crap up and feel amazing. sometimes it doesnt want to come out.
i will take that as a complement, i love that pic, i was just having too much fun scraping it around to vial it up, hence DMT-man was born.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 05:37 PM

i will take that as a complement, i love that pic, i was just having too much fun scraping it around to vial it up, hence DMT-man was born.


Definitely a compliment!

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 07:31 PM

Well, I think if I were going to do this, in theory, I would brew like this:

114 grams - Ayahuasca Vine (Banisteriopsis Caapi)
112 grams - Hawaiian Chacruna (Psychotria Viridis)
10 grams - Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala)
28 grams - Chaliponga (Diplopterys Cabrerana)

The dose would be one half of the brew...

I think this brew would be able to thoroughly inhibit the mao with
both harmaline and harmine (is that right?), and have plenty of DMT
to increase visions greatly.

What do you guys think?

I would be taking Andy and Hips suggestions of a strong brew,
and hopefully wouldn't be wasting all of the supply with a dud.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:17 PM

sounds plenty strong to me, just go the extra mile whenever you see a chance, lotsa pulls, boil it down plenty, keep a close eye on it, just follow your heart. good luck dude

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:38 PM

i'm sorry to say
but i just don't buy into that
you-gotta-puke-to-be-authentic stuff,
that's why i use gelatin.
while the taste is still horrid
i have managed several purge-less experiences
that were still quite strong.
and of course
i don't believe that one can vomit out
'evil negative energy' [whatever that is]
so i see little point in puking if i can avoid it.
extra ditto for screaming diarhea .

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 09:04 PM

I don't think the purge is necessary for the experience either, although
I say that with no experience, BUT...

It seems like with every experience (drug) you have a crowd who is all
about a certain ritualistic approach (as if purging is a ritual) - this seems
especially true with Ayahuasca since it is considered to be so spiritually
dense.

I think the ideas that you must do this or do that to get the "real" experience
tend to make some people feel alienated (and not intentionally). It says to
the person with a different experience: "you didn't do it right" or "you didn't
get it" when of course, we can't figure that out for someone else in most
cases.

This mentality is found in all walks of life though...
and I certainly don't think Andy is trying to alienate anyone, but perhaps
he believes that he cannot get that experience without the purge (and thus
must assume the same for everyone, because there is no other point
of reference than himself really).

I think it has to do with the advancing technologies and the clash it appears
to create with the ancient ritual...where in reality, I think we should be
using our advances in technology to better our rituals.

It reminds me of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance...

Much like that FAQ you posted from ayahuasca.com Hip, which goes into
detail of how you should be doing it, even though the simple brews
are posted, the poster insists that there is a correct way to approach it
and you should not just brew because there is a recipe, which I agree with
to a certain extent (mainly for the protection of my rights to order and brew
the stuff).

I think if we find a way not to crash and burn while having an experience,
then that method should be used at will. But I am thrilled to hear someone
state that they specifically do no like the geletin tek, just because I have
not really heard much opinion on it.

Hip, you like it to take away the nausea right?
but do you like the way it changes the physical form of the brew?
How is the texture?


I realize lots of people ignore comments with reference to this guy,
but ohh well...
I will note that Terence McKenna suggested that the actual
purge substance may even be the sort of substance that actually forms
the universe, and some shaman may use it as a tool...staring into the
morphing liquids to gain vision.

I personally think that the experience can be achieved without the purge,
similar to the use of DMT snuff vs DMT freebase...why would you burn the
shit out of your nose and throat when you can easily inhale the substance
through smoke, and the same effect is achieved? Although Andy is saying
that the effect is not achieved without the purge, but to each his own, and
experience be the master of the decisions we make.

All in all, I don't mind purging, but I also don't mind not purging, as long
as the experience is achieved.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 11:29 PM

yeah i didnt mean to alienate anyone, thats just my opinion, hey hip, lucky you if can get a strong effect and not purge, me and mine rarely get that, i have only gotten the squirts like 2 times from any brew, most people i know dont get em either. the whole 'negative energy' is not something i am stating as fact, its just a thought i have found myself thinking on many occasions when im staring down the toilet and im fuckin scared. the gelatin tek makes complete theoretical sense to me, which is why i tried it so many times to get it right but i never liked the way it turned out. and jello made no difference at all for my nausea/explosive vomit factor. i had a paticular batch of brew made with vinegar as the acid and the gelatin was used, it was impossible for me to keep down, and i dont have a weak stomache, i don't know if it was the vinegar or the gelatin that did it but i never kept a shot down more than 30 seconds, so i dont use gelatin or vinegar anymore. I definetly overstated the whole must purge thing, and i apologize, its just my belief that when using something as powerful as ayahuasca, one should never lose respect (fruity jello is pushin it imo) and for me that means treating it as the ancients did, la purga, i never treat it as a toy, i am there to learn and may the gods not strike me down.

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 12:17 AM

and hip just to see what can be seen, next time you find yourself in a "strong experience", try purging and see what happens

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 11:40 AM

oh i've purged before, many times.
i started drinking 'huasca long before i stumbled over the tannin-protein interaction,
i was looking for a way NOT to purge, thank you.
please do not confuse my distaste for projectile vomiting
with inexperience
as that isn't the case.
i will concede that one often gets a 'rush' of intensity
right after vomiting,
proly because of the adrenal system kicking in,
but then again a 'rush' of intensity can come along
without vomiting too.
to each, his own.
it's just hard for me to enjoy myself when i'm feeling so nauseous
so i prefer to neutralize some of those nasty tannins with some nice protein.

i'll agree with you wholeheartedly about vinegar though, it's the worst.
i much prefer lemon juice.

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 01:15 PM

to each his own, thats the name of the game.

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 03:34 PM

btw
i'd love an exposition
on just how fruity jell-o might offend the ancient gods ?
is it zeus who is the jell-o hater
or perhaps athena ?
ishtar or ares ?
i get so confused...
do all the flavors show a lack of respect
or is it just the fruity ones ?
:lol:
oh yeah,
on the whole loin cloth issue,
are cotton Haynes ok
or should i skin a jaguar or perhaps a stag ?
;)
i'm just fuckin' with ya.
:)

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 08:01 PM

i can't really explain why i feel that way but i always try to stay serious with all aspects of the brew. i never thought about trippin attire before but i will think about it. i can see using gelatin if it has a specific purpose in the brew but using blueberry jello seems too much like making vodka jello shots or some shit and lookin to get fucked up and party. i really don't know much about the traditonal 'way' ayahuasca is used but whenever i see a chance to go in that direction i try to do it. it would seem to me that if i vomitted fruity blue goo then it would all seem to be a joke or something.




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