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#81 CoyoteMesc

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 11:21 AM

Well here are my results. Strain is eq, from casing to harvest it took a meer 4 days. Unfortunatly only a number of mushrooms pushed through the casing layer, and reached maturity, and even though these compensated in weight, ive still made some conclusions for next time. First of all, i need to get some coarse verm, as this sand like stuff compacts too much, second of all and this is the main conclusion ive made, next time i will allow more knots to form pins beforei apply the casing layer, imo it was mainly the already existing pins which managed to form into mushrooms, the smaller pins and knots sufficated. Totall wet weight for the two tubs was 587 grams so iam not complaining. Tubs have now been misted down heavily, hopes for a second flush are high.



Only a number popped through but all of them look well hydrated and meaty, great job [user]Kocos[/user].

How did that second flush come through?

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 07:07 PM

OK. so i late-cased one of two bins that were running at the same time. I notice that the fruits of the late case one have thinner stems and wiener caps compared to the uncased bin. Also less number of fruits, BUT the late cased bin did mature more quickly. Bad trade-off, however....

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 02:24 PM

The 2 of 6 trays that where ready are doing good. The one that showed 3 pins is slow but the other one had 8+ pins and its got them all over now. Can't wait till the other 4 show pins!!:rasta:

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:47 PM

Well the new year is here and still no pins on these transkei cakes.
It seems as if everything has come to a screetching halt. Im at my wits end and I think Im going to have to take some good mycelium (again) and restart this thing in a new bag of rye (2nd time) and try again. The Myc is white and turning yellow brown in some spots and the casing is colonized but not doing anything. AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGG. Ive been working on this project for months now, not a single shroom to speak of.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:52 PM

Or maybe I should just pitch these fuggers and start a new strain.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:30 PM

thats what I would do sorry to hear about your troubles

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:15 PM

Damn Fhat now I can say those casing I neglected this last weekend were intended to be late cased. We'll see how they doo!
Thanks for the tip!

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:50 PM

Here's some late cased Oak Ridge.
Not the best pin set, but I think the
second flush will throw out some big fruits.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 05:58 PM

whats your substrate, abbr? were you getting better results with the traditional method of casing?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:37 PM

from what i understand Oak ridge is a very wild strain and not known for its pin set. There are probablly hundreds if not thousands of substrains in the strain, especially since its wild.. In conversation with SunStar he reccomends isolating a high performing isolate on ager, you could prolly get good results using Fahts isolate jar technique, easier than working with agar ime and results are similar. That said

great job abbr. !!!!!!!

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 07:47 PM

Sub was 40/60 H-Poo/Straw
Late cased with 60/40 Coir/Verm
I really have no results to compare to, I have
been casing some, not casing others, some rez,
some spawned to poo.
This strain also took a while to pin, don't remember
exactly how many days, but slow.
And before that P. Rican was busting my stones,
so really my overall results haven't been great.
Putting more of my attn. to Pans lately :amazed:

P.S. I didn't mean the late casing was the cause for bad results,
I see it maybe looked that way, not at all what I meant.

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:36 AM

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 09:23 AM

Sub was 40/60 H-Poo/Straw
Late cased with 60/40 Coir/Verm
I really have no results to compare to, I have
been casing some, not casing others, some rez,
some spawned to poo.
This strain also took a while to pin, don't remember
exactly how many days, but slow.
And before that P. Rican was busting my stones,
so really my overall results haven't been great.
Putting more of my attn. to Pans lately :amazed:
P.S. I didn't mean the late casing was the cause for bad results,
I see it maybe looked that way, not at all what I meant.


aw, I wasn't implying thats what you meant, just curious as to comparisons.. this is still pretty new to myself... it's nice to get the whole spectrum as to what is goin on. :) thanks for the feedback! :thumbup:

Nice job FP! is that a new tub? that strain likes you. ;)

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 10:44 AM

5 late cased 1 not. 5 out did the 1 greatly. More pins larger fruit and the 1 got a slight cont. in the corner. All in all I will be late caseing from now on...:rasta:

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 11:29 AM

Nice Floppypeter!!
I'm going to keep trying this.
Have another Oak Ridge about to pin, going to late case it.
Ill post the results.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:48 PM

Heres pics of an Oak Ridge tray before and after late casing .
There's pins there, just can't get good close-ups.

I'm curious to see what happens, the spawn is colonized
P-corn and Rye Berries ( 1 QT. of each) with a 70-30 mix
of Coir - Verm .
And the casing layer is also coir - verm , 40-60.

Will using the same materials for sub and casing
have any particular effect?
I assumed the casing layer will still do its job
of holding moisture.

I'll post pics when they start to mature.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:34 AM

Heres the pics from the second flush of previous pics.
And pics from the more recent late cased Oak Ridge tray.
I def. need to isolate or just work with a diff. strain.

Sorry for jackin' up your thread Faht!

First two pics are the second flush Oak Ridge from above pics.
Last two are the newer late cased Oak Ridge.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 11:15 AM

hey no problem. :) well they look like they are pinning like mad.. did you dunk the first one? just looks thirsty to me. because they both look like they are putting out the pins for a really nice flush, just not enough water to see all of them to maturation.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:10 PM

Ya, I dunked after the first flush AND
dribbled water on the casing with a syringe a few days after.
Had it quite wet actually.
I was wondering if doing that stopped all
those lil guys from growing?
You maybe can't see in the pic but there's a
lot of pins that didn't grow with the rest.
I was so pumped when that tray first started
the second flush, and then it fizzled out.
Im pretty much done with this strain after these
trays finish up.
Ill maybe revive the mystery SA-Tex I have.
Both strains I want to work with, wish I knew
which one it is!

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:35 PM

some strains just have a lot of aborts.

IME late casing is the best way to get the most pins to survive, casing thickness is important and TLC during application is a must dont wanna hurt those knots.

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A word about Fahtster's late (The method of Late Casing)casing method. FOr those that havn't checked it out. It's waiting for the first pinhead before you case your substrate/spawn mix.

I have been playing with this for a few projects.

I have had had the best luck applying the casing layer when it seems like the knots are at their peek, yet before a pin head arrives. This seems to retard growth of the very fast first few fruits and help the other not so fast specimens catch up. To me it seems to result in a nice even flush for every time.


When i have waited for the first tan pin head to case the fruits have been consistently diffrent in size, number, and vigor. With the Isolate PESA strain ive been playing with I actually get a smaller yield with larger fruits if I wait for the first tan pin head. This is in opposition to the normally fuller, heavier flushes that happens when I case the knots just before they turn into pins.

This is a subtle difference in when choosing to case. The window for casing my projects seems to be about 24 hours.

If I wait to long to case, the fruit are big in size and small in number. Case to soon, the casing layer gets colonized and # of Aborts skyrocket. casing the knots just before they turn to pins leads to the greatest number and yield of fruits ime.

Since the casing layer is added late in the projects life and not colonized I often scrape of the layer after harvest put it in a ziploc in the freezer. Then I Dunk ( really more of a float ) the project for a day. Put the project back in the fruiting chamber. When knots appear again I warm the used casing in the microwave, adjust the moisture level and re use it for the second flush . I've never had a contam using this method.

I like to use a 70/30 coir/verm mix for a casing layer. When I apply the casing layer I am super gentle and use almost no pressure. The casing layer should be thin 1/4 inch or so but I like to make sure there is no white mych showing. If your casing layer is too thick or pressed down too hard it is impossible for the micro climate that baby mushies love so much to form. I usually add a couple of powdered tums to the casing mix to help with pH and mushys love the calcium. IMO , when and how you case a tray can be the difference between a below average and an outstanding first flush.

*these observations are based on playing with a single Isolate , your milage may vary




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