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[dukex]

I thought I would do a write-up for those who prefer old school methods.
This is one of the simplest methods I can think of, easy easy easy.

In this tutorial I am going to be making 8 pints jars, I have used quarts for this method but you will have to cut the cakes out between flushes.

In your eight jars put 1/2 cup of long grain rice per jar. I have used white and brown here I prefer the brown but both will work.

Add 3/4 cup of water to each jar, you may use bottled water here if your tap water is high in dissolved solids.

OPTIONAL substitute 2oz of water for some day old brewed coffee. This will give a 30% mixture this may be considered experimental. I have done it both ways with success.
See picture 1 below.

I use the standard PF jar lid with either a filter disk or kite grade tyvek over the top of the lid to keep it dry.
See picture 2 below.

Put your foil on check your rubber bands so they won’t fall apart in the PC and make a mess.
See picture 3 below.

I pressure cook this for 40 minutes turn off the heat and let it sit overnight until the next day before I remove from the PC.
See picture 4 below.

Final product showing moisture consistency.
See picture 5 below.

Thats it folks you can either case with a 50/50, straight vermiculite or just let them go invitro.

Peace...

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[Hippie3]

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[perrch01]

What kind of results do you get letting them fruit invitro?


Nice tutorial

[dukex]

Most of the time they go to the edges of the cake and glass you end up cutting they out. I dont have any real good pics of invitro but here are a couple pics using this method.

"I covered them with coffee filters to help hold moisture in"

When I do the quart jars I do that usually tyvek or a filter disc. With the pints I will put them in the tank for fruiting.

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[Hippie3]

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[Lazlo]

Damn nice tek Duke! I've been thinking about this for a while to use with my bowls. I might give it a try. Thanks.

[Alkady Mycomania]

Anyone have experience with using this as spawn? Does it break up like rye does? The health food store near my FOAF stopped carrying rye, and our hearts are broken. This looks fantastic! Time to give straight rice a shot along with millet. I wonder how dense the mix is as opposed to regular BRF + verm. Looks a lot like rye which is why I got excited ;-)

Quick question: You don't shake the jars to 'even' out moisture, that doesn't seem to be a problem? This seems like an excellent alternative to rye. Notice any significant difference in colonization time? I'd expect not... Thanks Dukex! Incredible!

[dukex]

No dont think it would be good for spawn its a moist rice cake. That would be the problem getting to to break up nice, it wouldnt. Its a light cake there is some air in there.

No shaking or stiring nothing. No alternative to rye. Maybe a little quicker on the colonization because of being light and airy. Your welcome :)

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[vrooota]

hmmmm when I tried to do it your way duke, my rice compacted at the bottom of the jars too much to let myc grow all the way through. It works better for me to cook the rice and then throw it in the pc. Also, you can keep the grain loose like rye for spawning if you want, use only half of your jars volume if you do and then shake after the pc and a few times through colo. I usually just let mine grow into 1 piece rice cakes though. I then dice them up into bite sized pieces for spawning. Haven't been able to get them to fruit invitro though, seems like they don't hold very much water. Good writeup Dukex:)

[dukex]

vrooota I have been using this for a couple years, took me quite abit of trial and error to get the ratio down. In the beginning I did as you say and cook it load jars ,PC then eat what was left over. The problem with that method was there wasnt enough water content IMO.

I specifically didnt mention using it as spawn cause I didnt want to advocate that. This was meant to be as simple as possible. :) Thanks for the kind words.

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[kam]

I use the standard PF jar lid with either a filter disk or kite grade tyvek over the top of the lid to keep it dry.
See picture 2 below.

Do you mean you make the PF 4-hole lids, then cover with Tyvek and put on the bands? Has this Tyvek layer become common for PF style jars?

Thanks for any clarification.

[dukex]

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" Do you mean you make the PF 4-hole lids, then cover with Tyvek and put on the bands?"

Yes that is how I am doing it, works good last a long time :)

"Has this Tyvek layer become common for PF style jars?"

No that tek uses the vermiclite barrier as the filter. I am guilty of altering this but wont go into here. I consider this to be more like a technique I found by Dr. Steven H. Pollock, M.D

I will post the original if anyone wants to see it ?

Peace...

[kam]

Got it, makes sense that you'd need more protection without the vermiculite layer. I wouldn't mind reading that original text you mentioned, either.

I like the simplicity of preparation in this method. Add water, rice, and cook. It would be convenient for someone who doesn't have the security to spend up to a few hours getting jars mixed and PC'd. I'm considering trying this method for my next set of jars, but I'd like to know how this compares invitro to the standard method in terms of pinning tendencies, yields, etc.

And, lastly, would it work with short grain brown rice?

Oh, and I'm guessing polyfill would work too?

[dukex]

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I think on average it compares to PF tek and or invitro.

Yes short grain will do just fine and is mentioned in the original texts. I missed that :o

Polyfill would also work fine maybe even better since it can be used as a injection site.

I will post the original as I havent seen it in the archives and reference it back to here. If you give it a try please let us know your results.

Peace...

[kam]

With short grains, might the same ratio hold or should I experiment with the ratios/precook the rice with it?

[Hippie3]

i doubt long/short makes enough diff to matter.

[bipolar]

Yes Dukex, I'm very interested in the original. Post or link to it please. Btw, nice write up!

[python]

nice work duke