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#1 Guest_freakachino_*

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 11:47 AM

Well, I don't know if this has been ised as a food source before or not. I had some left over multi-spore syringes and I had some horse feed. This feed wasn't store bought. That is my next attempt. This feed is from a grange where the horse owner goes, tells them the mix they want, and they shoot it out into the bags. I don't know the exact mix of the bag but I know for sure its got oats, corn, some molasses, and not sure on the other grains. It is not heavy with molasses, but sticky with it a little.

So to prepare, I soaked it for 48 hrs doing hot water changes twice. I would rinse it while changing the water too. Then I just rinsed it well and drained it well. I mixed in a couple handfuls of verm to get any extra water.
I loaded it into jars and noc'd em up. They each got about 2cc of multi-spore. The quarts are ks and the pints are pfc. I made a note to self not to fill my jars so full.

These pix are at 14 days. The pfc's were sitting room temp while the others were in incubator. The pfc's are now in the incubator too. So I still have a lot of this left and I think I'm going to try it again. I also want to try store bought so I can see exactly whats in it as far as grain types etc. Well I'll keep this updated as far as what happens with them. They are going to be spawned to poo/straw and I may make a straw log to see what happens. Thanks for reading this!

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 11:57 AM

i used to work in a feed warehouse
so i've seen plenty of horsefeed.
from what i remember
i would think it's kinda similar
to using bird seed,
laced w/molassis
looks good there
a pity you can't shake those

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 04:51 PM

I have shaken them but stopped now. It would only shake the top half. They were a little slow in starting but now they're moving right along. I think they are mostly going on the insid. Hippie, Its got some of those big corn pieces which made me worry that it might contam, but I think the long soak gets those endospores enough to sterilize them. I did them at 15 psi for 90 minutes. I'll ask my friend what mix she has in her grain. Its not so much like birdseed because the grains are a lot bigger. But I do notice it stays pretty airy and doesn't compact so much. Hope they stay clean! Also, since these were experiments I tried covering the innoculation hole with that a piece of that sticky strip on the postal tyvek envelopes. It seems to be breathing. Its easier than rubberbanding tyvek over the lid imo.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 05:01 PM

sorghum [sp. ?] is a primary ingredient,
if i recall correctly.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:27 AM

I think you're right HIppie. I know there is lots of ingredients in it. I'm going to get a bag of store bought to see if it works different. Its just if the store bought doesn't work I'll have a 50 lb bag left. But I'll just give that to the deer in the fall. I'll take a pic later of the feed I used from the grange as is. This grange I talk about isn't really like a feed store. Its a farm where they have all their grains in the silos. You go and tell them the mix you want and they mix it and put it in the chutes, then pull the lever and fill the bags. Its kinda cool. I'm wondering if these are their own grains and organic and such. It seems that the mycelium really likes it.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:46 AM

Heres the pic of the grain I used as in its horse feeding state. And I was mistaken as there is less molasses in this than I thought. In some store bought horse feeds there can tend to be high molasses which makes it really brown and sticky. So I'm going to try the less molasses types. Hope I can get these to fruit with some poo/straw. Also, I just wanted to add that I only tried this because well, its what makes up a lot of the horse poo I use and my mycelium loves the poo. There are these grains in my poo so I figured why not try to start it out on this then add to the poo. Hoping for the best.

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 10:51 AM

Okay I just wanted to show the growth in these jars 6 days later. I can honestly say I have never had rhizo growth like this on any other substrate. I'm estimating the PFC pint jars to be finished this weekend. They will be spawned seperately to manure then cased.

The KS will probably need another week before being finished. But they are in quarts and moving pretty quick too. They will also be spawned to manure.

Well in thinking, I take that back, I'll spawn 1 jar of each strain to manure and then straight case the other 2 jars. That way we can see the difference in fruiting.
I'm going to be making some more of these up this weekend. I like the pints better because they go so fast.

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:03 PM

Looks pretty damn good! Is that what some farmers call "sweet feed"?

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 12:46 PM

yeah, sweet feed, grain, deer feed, I think its all pretty much going to be the same. I'm just messing around with it. Seems to like it though.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 12:49 PM

Are there a lot of shucked sunflower seeds in the mix?

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 12:57 PM

I don't think there are any sunflower seeds in it. Though I can't be 100% but I'm fairly certain there isn't any type of brid seed food in it. Horses have big flat teeth so the grains are a little larger in size. Its mostly oats, corn pieces, and whatever else type of grain has a reddish tint to it. I am no grain expert so its hard for me to say for sure.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 01:05 PM

Cool experiment Freakachino ;)
The ks and pfc seem to really like it too!

I wonder if molasses would work well for liquid culture?
Sweet Sorghum is also known as Sorghum Molasses...
mmm...might try that sometime.

Keep up the good work my friend.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 02:32 PM

do they sell it anywhere and if so how much does it cost....goodlookin jars there very nice rizo effect.....peace...

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:09 PM

Jim, I'm wondering if its the molasses they like too. And thanks. I hope it fruits well off of it.

Sleepwalker, Usually, during hunting season they sell it as deer feed for hunters. But anywhere they sell horse feed or animal feeds you'll find it probably. Farm type stores. These are usually privately owned businesses. If you know of an area where people have horses they have to get their feed from somewhere. Yellow Pages are a great starting point. Most of these types of feed are mixed differently. So I can't say for sure how all would perform.
Hippie may know of some more common places to find this type of sweet feed.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 08:06 AM

Well just for an update.

The two pint jars of PFC have been birthed. One was spawned to manure, the other just cased. The 2 quarts of KS are just about done. I may spawn them together to manure. I can say that it works really nice. I also shot another quart jar with some Ecuador multi spore. In 8 days it is at about 70%. I'm going to use some more to see if most strains I have like it. I'm going to start a post in Growlogs and pictures to show the casings and fruits. Thanks for reading!

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 08:15 AM

The pint that was spawned to the manure was spawned on 5-5. It was cased on 5-9. The other pint was birthed and cased on 5-9. The casing is Papashrooms casing recipe, with added crushed eggshells, and a little more verm added in.

The first 2 pix are of the pint that was straight cased.

The last 2 pix are of the spaen run on the manure. I hope it fruits well.

Both casings went straight to the fruiting chamber. I will update as soon as I see pins. Lets hope its not 2 weeks from now!

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:54 AM

looks VERY healthy. hope it flushes a great pinset for you !

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 10:21 AM

Thanks DEI! I'm hoping this goes well with this type of substrate. So far the quickness is far better for me than any other sub I've used as far as multi spore inoculations go. I've yet to use rye yet which I know is preffered. . The mycellium was literally climbing the walls of the jars with rhizo growth. I can't wait for pins. I guess I'll just have to make some syringes with the 5 new strains I got in the mail this week to pass the time! :)

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:59 AM

Well the straight casing pinned yesterday. It was exactly 7 days. I'm pretty impressed by that. The manure casing hasn't pinned yet but I'm not worried, it looks really good and healthy. Because I left the sides of the container uncovered its got some good pins forming on the sides. I'll update in a few days when they mature some. I love those PFC's!

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:31 AM

looking good

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