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#21 Guest_freakachino_*

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:36 AM

Thanks Hippie. I have more of it soaking right now. I soak it for 48 hrs. and it has another 24 left. I also do a Hot water rinse and drain every 12 hours. Then soak it in more Hot water. I'm going to try some B+ on it, some Burma on it, and some LC from from some Treasure Coast. I am hoping the liquid culture will explode on it. The Ecuador is done and the KS are done. I have major casing projects to set up for tomorrow. I hope they do as well as the PFC's are doing. And this time I'm leaving some shaking room. It really makes nice spawn because it breaks up nice without losing so much of the mycelium off it like popcorn tends to do for me. And it provides plenty of inoculation points in the manure.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:23 PM

I wonder if the same could be done by "sweetening" other grains? Maybe with a honey or karo water soak before PCing?

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:44 PM

Fester, I have tried karo with my popcorn soaks. Nothing notably different in terms of growth rates. Though when simmered and pc'd it smelled like kettle corn which I liked :)
I am not sure if its because of the sweetness of the grain, or the mixture of the grains in the feed. I wish I new more about grains lol. The Ecuador quart I did colonized in 15 days for me. Those KS jars creeped along at the end but are getting spawned tomorrow. One to poo and one to straw for a log. The Ecuador is getting spawned to poo too. It adds a few days but I like spawning to poo and straw and the results are well worth it imho. Another important note is that I need to not fill the jars so full. I shook the hell out of the Ecuador jar right after inoculation and I think that helped speed the colonization time. To me that is an important factor with grains, shaking really good right after inoculation. I'm going to get a store bought bag of feed when this current one runs empty for comparison and ingredients list. Hopefully the store bags work just as well and will list ingredients better.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:00 PM

great work Freak looks like your beginning your journey to be a Pro Pinner, Im going to be PMing you in a couple of days with some ?s that I might have LOL

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:13 PM

mmm kettle corn

Seems like you've had (at least) decent success. I would have thought somethin as mishandled as deer feed would have a high contam rate, not unlike a lot of sources of rye. Could you ask the store how fresh it is, maybe what's in it?

Keep on keepin on man, maybe you found the next big thing, who knows? I certainly want to try it now.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 02:20 PM

Nice job Freackachino! That's a pretty quick fruiting time frame IMO. Cool!

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 03:11 PM

Thanks for the positives. This particular feed I'm using came from a lady whom I babysit her horsies for when she goes on vacation. She got this particular grain from a farm grange. So there is no way I can be 100% on the ingrediants for it. Thats why I'm hoping a store bought bag of basic horse feed with the ingredients listed will be better.

As far as how dirty it is. Yes, it is very dirty, thats why I do the hot water soaks for 48 hours and rinse and drain it a lot. The first rinse is really nasty dirty. I just keep at it until it looks like my water is finally running clean. I have yet to try a simmer with it. Just soak it, rinse it, mix in some verm, load jars and pc for 90 minutes to 2 hrs. It isn't as easy or simple as say popcorn, rye or wbs. I'm never in a hurry with the whole soak process of the grains and such anyway. Just gives me time to clean better and get my syringes ready.

Hopefully in a few days I'll have some better shots of the pins! And hopefully that manure will put off some bigguns! I love when they fruit!

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 05:38 PM

That is some good looking growth. Way to go.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:53 PM

I can't wait 2 see what's next... Good job Freaky :D

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 12:46 PM

Thanks Everybody!!!! :) Its fun to see a project provide.


I checked this morning and the manure casing has some pins. Here's the big one in the middle in the pic.

Not too great of pinsets, could be the multispore or the grain? Have to wait and see what subsequent flushes do. Plus I'm going to try a clone with one to see how it does on the grain. Hopefully this will make a nice permanent substrate for me to use consistently. And even the thai strains like it which I find to be the pickiest substrate wise. At least I will have some pfc prints to spread around.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:58 AM

okay, here are a few update pix from yesterday. The manure casing is taking its time maturing but looking nice with some bigger fruits. The other casing had some nice ones on it, I didn't take a pic of the casing though cuz my lover got into it and ate some last night and he's sleeping now so I'll get an update on what he thought of potency. So far I'm fairly impressed with this as a substrate. It spawns so nicely to the manure. I spawned the 2 quarts of KS yesterday together and spawned the quart of Ecuador to straight poo. Hopefully in 5 days they will be ready to case. I'll post those pics in this thread too since they are all horse grain.

The little casing is going to get flushed, dunked, sides covered, lightly scratched and a new light casing layer. See if I can get a better pinset outta it.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 10:18 PM

Heres a pic of the manure casing 2night. Gonna clone the tall one.

Okay, note on the potency, he said he ate one that had a wet weight of 14 grams. Said that the visuals were minor, but a nice body buzz.

Can't wait to print em and clone it. :) fruity fun

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 11:59 PM

Nice man! I like that pic on the left of the dented cap. And the bottom pic is going to be damn nice when they are matured. I love the white specks on the caps. Those are some fatties. PF clasics you say? Nice job!

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 09:40 AM

PFC's from Papashroom. Thanks Papa! :)

Sorry, my batteries died in the cam and I harvested two of the caps. Will take pics of the remaining though. They had nice meaty stems, only going hollow a little bit right at the cap. I like the meaty stems. PFC is one of my fav's. Going to print a lot of these hopefully.

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 07:39 AM

harvested :)

Lets hope the 2nd flush is as good as the first.


:( on a sadder note: I spawned the 2 KS quarts to manure on Saturday. I tried out a new container and thought it was giving air exchange, but alas it wasn't and smelled all sweet so outside it went. Hopefully the quart of Ecuador that was spawned will make it.
:) on a happier note: Inoculating 8 jars of the grain today. :)

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#36 Hippie3

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Posted 31 May 2005 - 05:03 AM

very nice,
don't look much like the old PFCs tho'

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Posted 31 May 2005 - 05:19 AM

very nice!

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Posted 31 May 2005 - 11:14 AM

Hip, the second flush off the straight casing had some really gnarly fat ass stems like the old PFC. They may look different too maybe because they aren't on pf cakes. I'm begining to wonder if the different substrates affect the physical appearance of certain strains. I say this because lately I've been shooting from the same syringe on grain jars, wbs, popcorn, and horse feed, and brf jars. They are giving slightly different physicalities on the different casings. Or maybe I'm just seeing things :)
I think I remember some folks who were working with the PE strain saying they had some fruits that looked different than the normal strain should. Who knows for sure, hopefully we'll see what the Ecuador, B+, Burma, and Quezons look like soon enough.

#39 Hippie3

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Posted 05 June 2005 - 07:01 AM

well,
if you are coming from spores
then it's only logical to expect
slight differences between batches
due to genetic variation
as well as slight differences in environment/micro-climate

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 10:40 PM

I agree, the multi-spore could be the factor also.

The PFC is still flushing.

The Ecuador is getting ready to pin and a pint jar of quezon colonized in 11 days and is running the poo now. I didn't birth it until yesterday, I wanted it to stay in the jar a little while longer to make the mycelium a little thicker.
Hopefully some updated pix soon! So far, I can say I like using the horse grain.




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