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#1 altered_states

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 01:56 PM

I've been doing my homework in the archives...
But there's usually something newer and better around here.

I hand picked about 5 Gallons of the oldest, most composted nuggets from my containers.
Light gray to white in color.
Kinda feels like the yellow foam balls that shoot out of Nerf guns; Spongelike, but firm.

Haven't done anything with it yet...
But, I can see why it is so highly recommended. ;)

And now for the questions:

Straw/poo/lime/spawn ratio?

Hydration times for the straw and poo?

Pasteurize together or individually?

Pasteurization times?

Amount of hydrated lime?

Bleach?

Thank you everyone,

Still looking for 4 "AA" batteries...
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Posted 07 May 2005 - 07:16 AM

so, you haven't yet decided on what TEK to follow ?
how much dung/straw will you use,
and is it to go outdoors, or in a box, basket or log ?

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Posted 07 May 2005 - 07:25 PM

so, you haven't yet decided on what TEK to follow ?
how much dung/straw will you use,
and is it to go outdoors, or in a box, basket or log ?


I'm nowhere close.
Just yesterday I was given a spot for a compost pile and that changes everything.

Any suggestions?

I'm floundering in ideas at the moment.
Been reading about compost/composting in TMC and the archives.

I'm definitely doing some 35 gallon rubbermaid totes.
They're pretty tall and I plan on using up to 8" of substrate, probably closer to 6" of substrate on average.

Still waiting for my G2G's to finish colonizing.
It's been 8 days.

This spawn is G3, so I want to make the best use of it.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 07:42 PM

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 07:48 PM

wow, it worked this time

I've decided to hybridize some TEKs:

My first project will be using only composted manure as substrate.
It will be pasteurized in a lime/hot water bath.
Drained overnight.
Squeezed to field capacity.
Spawned with rye @ 1 Qt. per loose, dry gallon substrate in a rubbermaid.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 04:44 PM

Alright Hippie, scratch that last post.
Not enough air.

50/50 dung/straw.
This will be an indoor project.
Container will be a rubbermaid tote with lid.

Day 1:
I'm going to do 50/50 dung/straw as you posted on August 18, 2001
I cut the straw into 1"-3" pieces
I will pasteurize the dung in a pillowcase on my stovetop
I will do this in a 5 Gallon pot with hydrated lime @ 160F for 1.5 hours.
Hang the pillowcase to drain overnight

Day 2:
Squeeze water from the pillowcase, leave hanging
Hydrate straw in hot tap water for 1.5 hours
Pasteurize the straw in hot water and lime @160F for 1.5 hours
Drain the straw and allow to cool
Mix pasteurized dung and straw
Fill tub with 6"-8" of spawned straw/dung (spawned in layers)
Cover with lid and allow to run substrate at room temp (~70F)

So far I'm using Rodger's pasteurization TEK and the neglect TEK

After substrate is run it will be cased with 1" vermiculite
Mist as necessary
Patch case as necessary
Fan at least 4-5 times daily

How does this sound so far?

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 04:55 PM

Horse poo is my favorite, as it is usually made up of about 50% straw already.

Can you see straw strands in the poo at all? When you get a chunk wet, does it
feel airy still and drain quickly, or is it like wet shit?
If it drains quickly, you probably don't need to add extra straw - if it's like wet shit,
then the straw would be helpful.

I'd cook it all up in the same pot to make life easier, if you go the straw route.
Otherwise, it sounds like you're following a solid TEK.
That's almost exactly what I do, and I've had great results.
I like to mix the spawn and the poo up in a big rubbermaid, let it run, then I case
with straight sterile vermiculite, using the rubbermaid as a combo pan / terrarium,
i.e., I just open the lid and fan, spray, etc...

Sounds good - the first bulk casing is awesome when it works out.
You'll shit your pants when you pull the first flush :)

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 10:01 PM

The nuggets are basically nothing but straw fibers and air. Very sponge-like.
I've been testing the stuff by sealing single nuggets in half-pints full of water for various amounts of time.
The one I opened today stunk like shit, but it has been sitting in there since Thursday.
A nugget (not broken up) drained well and didn't stink after a 24 and 48 hour dunk.
I haven't tested any of the broken up stuff yet.
Most of this stuff is full of firefang.
The consistency after being broken up is similar to peat.

Thank you very much for the kind words, Soliver.
I can't wait for that first flush!!! :)
I'll have an extra pair of pants ready and waiting on harvest day

Peace,
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Posted 11 May 2005 - 12:51 AM

what kind of subtrate did you use to make your spawn.and this is your 3rd transfer.its not a bad idea to switch up subtrate when doing grain to grain transfers....peace...

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 08:32 AM

what kind of subtrate did you use to make your spawn.and this is your 3rd transfer.its not a bad idea to switch up subtrate when doing grain to grain transfers....peace...


Tissue - Rye - WBS - Rye

I've read that before, heard that it's a good idea...
But never got a thorough explanation of why.

Can you point me to a thread?

Peace,
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Posted 11 May 2005 - 11:04 AM

i dont really know off hand the thread sorry.but the reason is because you dont want the myc to get use to the subtrtate it kinda loses its vigor when transfered after a certain amount of times so when you switch it up it the myc stays strong.i dont know if thats a good enough explaination but hey....peace...
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 12:38 PM

its because of something known as senecence, i think. it make the shroom weaker, and eventually it wont reproduce anymore. but on straw and horse dung, especially if you grow them outdoor, that shouldnt be a factor at all.

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 05:44 PM

its because of something known as senecence, i think. it make the shroom weaker, and eventually it wont reproduce anymore. but on straw and horse dung, especially if you grow them outdoor, that shouldnt be a factor at all.


I'm still trying to figure out why the mycelium would behave in such a manner...
Especially after looking into commercial grow ops.
Rye grain to rye grain... To compost seems to be it. (for the non-wood-loving varieties anyway)

They must know what they're doing; Compost is the most selective, nutritive mushroom substrate possible.
It seems that the only thing that could possibly be better than compost is better compost.

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 01:42 PM

Commercial growers always return to the master source for mycelium, then grow it
out in g2g, then spread it out.

Like cloning MJ plants, you don't want to clone too many times or the original genetic
material gets lost / damaged / diluted, and the end results (yeild) can suffer.

I've never had it happen, but I've never gone more than 2-3 grain transfers.
You should be OK - I doubt you'll notice a huge difference in a home grow with
only 3 transfers :)

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 02:19 AM

First ever horse manure casing.
First time using horse manure at all, for that matter.
13"x9"x2.75" lasagna pan filled ~2" with composted horse manure.
Spawned (layered) using 1 Qt. rye grain Hawaiian isolate on the 15th or 16th...
Exact date is on paper somewhere around here. :confused:
I believe that the casing layer will be applied tomorrow.
Casing will be about .75" (level with pan) 50/50 peat/verm adjusted to ~8.5pH using hydrated lime.
Feeling pretty good so far...

What are the negative effects, if any, of a higher pH casing? (i.e. 8.5pH)

I'm all out of my pre-mixed, pH adjusted 50/50+.
I don't enjoy making 50/50, so I make a lot when it actually happens.

I would prefer not to make a full 35 Gallon tub of useless casing material.
Useful is sooo much better.

lol

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 07:40 AM

"Spawned (layered) using 1 Qt. rye grain Hawaiian isolate on the 15th or 16th...
Exact date is on paper somewhere around here."

I like to write the dates of spawning/casing right on the container. When you get multiple projects going on at the same time, it's about the only way to keep them all straight.
RR

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 03:04 AM

Hawaiian's on horse poo. Nice! Ya better strap on your seat belt for that trip man. Lookin good so far. I'd let that casing colonize 100% before casing it. It would be a shame to f that up casing to early. Nice job so far States!

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:50 AM

Looks like some nice rhizo's there. Are you keeping it covered with foil?
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 09:49 AM

That looks really nice and healthy. That is going to be a wild ride. My hawaiians were potent just cased off grains. The poo will provide :)

I can't wait to see more!

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 11:50 AM

Thank you, everyone.
I can't wait to see more either...
This is the first time I've seen rhizo's like this first-hand.
I think I like it.

The only time the foil comes off is during photography.
There are five punctures in the foil roughly the size of a steak knife stab wound. It's been incubating on a closet shelf at room temperature (~70F) since spawning.

It's been a few days since I've looked at the tray...
Maybe I'll post another photo today. ("AA" battery shortage)

So, you guys are saying Hawaiians are more potent from poo than grain?
I wish I would have known this years ago.
I've just been casing rye Qt's and the occasional crumbled PF jar all this time.

More pics ASAP,
AS




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