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#1 spacecake

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:25 PM

Nothing special to report here,but I had a question..

In my last two casings I mixed in aboud 40 % of grasseed ,just for experimentual value....

They are now in there first flush...
Not a very good one,but what strikes me is the thickness of the stems.
They seem to be alot bigger then 'normal'...
Could be any reason for this I know,because it also multispore...

What I wanted to know is..,if someone else has experimented with the Pans and grasseed and had the same results...?

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 04:48 PM

I use mixed grass seed for spawn, which Pans go bonkers over:eusa_danc, but never used the seed in bulk sub...
The seed is very resistant to mold, considering it's high nutrient content ..It proly acts like a time release fertilizer, as the nitrogen rich core is well encapulated in its sheath..
I do know they will fruit directly from the seed alone, with a thin casing layer..

Good stuff to use if u can get the hydration part down...

How fat we talkin Space..Are these Trops...?

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:25 PM

Good stuff to use if u can get the hydration part down...


a little off topic.. but, any good recipies? was thinking about doing a run of semperviva on grass seed.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:40 PM

How fat we talkin Space..Are these Trops...?


Trops yes,..and they are aboud 6 mm...0,24 inch
Not extremely big, but normally I have a couple of those these size..like 20-40 %,but now it's more like 60-80%

And I have two different sized casing depths,but they have the same sized shrooms.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:46 PM

I'm not sure (forgot to write it down),but I think I also used lake water this time...

I shall try it with clones ,and maybe some more ingredients,and see what happens.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:09 PM

Ya, 6 mills is mighty respectable ...How much seed do you use in the sub..?

TC. my prep method is very simple ...Boil seed for 30 mins ..drain in collander for 30 seconds ..pour back into the original pot and stir in about 5% dry verm to the the point where all remaining excess water is absorbed...

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:16 PM

thank you! :love: sounds perfect.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 11:44 AM

Space I added rye seed to the sub in that "lgflc aka sandoze" thread. I noticed some thick stems too especially after the first flush but it had some nice ones too.

Here is the thread. http://mycotopia.net...e-take-two.html

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:49 PM

Ya, 6 mills is mighty respectable ...How much seed do you use in the sub..?


Wel I wasn't clear on that...
For spawn I used brf cakes,but added aboud 30-40 % grasseeds to the brf...
Then I spawned to horse poo and straw. 1:2

So no seeds were added to the substrate,but to the spawn...
But I think that if I added it to the substrate ,I would get the same results...

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:54 PM

Space I added rye seed to the sub in that "lgflc aka sandoze" thread. I noticed some thick stems too especially after the first flush but it had some nice ones too.

Here is the thread. http://mycotopia.net...e-take-two.html


Did you by any chance..weigh the tick ones ?

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 01:40 PM

I did not but I have some popping up third flush in another tub done the same way. I can weigh a fresh one this evening.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:12 PM

I weighed two of the thicker ones. One weighed 2.0 grams with a cap of 2.5 cm. The other weighed 2.1 grams with a cap measurement of 3 cm.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:27 PM

I do know they will fruit directly from the seed alone, with a thin casing layer..



Can one expect to get normal sized flushes using grass seed alone as a sub?

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:45 PM

Can one expect to get normal sized flushes using grass seed alone as a sub?


good question..

i get pretty good flushes on hulled millet, but if it isn't cased perfectly it is a bit suseptible to contams in the later flushes. poo seems to be a little longer lived, but the flushes seem pretty much the same.

how contam resistant is grass seed?

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 07:08 PM

sativas letzter Growbericht-Pan Tropicalis und andere.

this is a nice pan. tropicalis grow on grass seed from a german forum.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 12:43 AM

Nice....!
And yep , u can get a good flush off straight cased seed - Although it's more expensive than spawning to straw or poo ...The seed casing is essentially a straw like material so it's like grain n' straw all in one..kinda like a poptart...:)

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 10:30 AM

The stems on these were both about 8.5 - 9 cm.

I weighed two of the thicker ones. One weighed 2.0 grams with a cap of 2.5 cm. The other weighed 2.1 grams with a cap measurement of 3 cm.


The arrows indicate the two I chose.

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#18 spacecake

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 01:17 PM

2 grams is pretty good...

and 8.5 -9 cm is amazingly good too... ;)




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