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Posted 01 March 2008 - 08:07 PM

This is the most complete detox instructions i have ever come across and i wanted to share them. I hope this helps! Some of it is know with some new interesting advice.

SAMPLE HOME DETOX RESCUE OPTIONS

Substance Abuse in any form substantially depletes your body of nutrients. In order to be effective during WDs most people state they needed to increase doseage levels beyond the recommend dose level; some substantially. Levels are for intensity of Detox WDs; post-detox WDs would be less. Use your own judgment about your needs and what you feel is best for you and what you are comfortable with and customize your own detox list to your preferences/needs. These things may help lessen WDs; others have reported good success.

What Symptoms To Expect

Vicodin has a half-life of 4-8 hours; therefore, WDs will begin for most between 8-16 hours after last dose taken. Most people express that detox feels like the worst flu they have ever had in their life. You will likely experience severe achy joints, weakness, restless legs syndrome, headaches, lack of clarity in thought, irritability-does not play well with others, severe “coffee jitters” to the extent that it is difficult to sit still and some experience involuntary muscle twitches, general feeling of “the all overs”, nausea but most do not report vomiting, and most report diarrhea. WDs will increasingly worsen up to about days 3-4 and then begin to turn the corner and stabilize.

It is best to plan your detox needs and shop in advance of starting. When you externally provide the body with chemicals that alter the brain, the body reads the signal and reacts by stopping its own natural production levels. So, when you cold turkey stop the external source, it jolts your body and whiplashes your system into wakeup mode. All those little workers have been snoozing for however long you have been administering the external supply source. Now the alarm bells are ringing all throughout your system, and they are running around like keystone cops screaming “oh s**t!!!!” They will get back on the job for you again, but it takes a while for them to get synchronized and functioning efficiently again.

1-2 weeks Ahead of Planned Detox
If possible, plan your detox 1-2 weeks ahead and commence with the Multi-Vitamin, Multi-Mineral, B-Complex 100mg, Zinc (pain-take only after eating food), & St. John's Wort (depression; but do NOT take if you are taking SSRIs) to build a solid base level BEFORE you start the detox. Many who have not built a solid base in advance have reported a more difficult time during detox. It took them a minimum of 1 week to achieve maximum relief level when days 1-4 are likely to be your worst WD days during detox. You may not feel depression now, but detox WDs usually results in the onset of depression until your body acclimates and can regulate itself. Building a nutriment base BEFORE detox will help lessen WDs and lessen the level of additional supplements you will need to help you cope. Waiting til you are actually in WDs to start taking supplements will mean that the supplements will be less effective and you will likely need substantially increased levels.

About Work
You should plan to take time off work to detox, usually a week. Options on work are plan to take off or call in sick with the flu, or the hybrid plan is time detox where you take last pill late the night before, go to work jittery and leave work early “with flu”---since you went home sick w/flu no one will be terribly surprised when you aren’t able to make it in most, if not all, of the following week.

During days 1-2 (and possibly day 3)
Most detoxers say it is best if you can try to sleep as much as you can during the first couple of days at least. Nyquil, Benadryl (not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!), Valerian Root, 5HTP (do not exceed 300mg daily) are types of things that may help you to sleep. Select other things from the OTC Options list as needed use other things from the list.

Days 3-5
You will likely start to stabilize. When you feel that you are starting to level off begin the L-Tyrosine/B6/D-Phenylalanine/Sublingual B-Complex w/B-12 to help w/pain and energy.

THINGS THAT MAY HELP

-HOT baths several times a day to help with aches; add Epsom Salts or vingear

-Heating Pad & warm blankets to keep muscles warm and relaxed.

-Hot Rice Socks for muscle warmers. Fill cotton socks w/rice, stretch and leave room on ends to loop and self tie sock end. Heat rice socks in microwave for approximately 2 min. Heat check & apply to achey areas.

-Keep nourished; drink lots of water: Add 1 tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar for body PH rebalancing & pain; and if you can, add 1 tablespoon Honey for energy

-Relaxation Exercise to help lessen muscle cramping ,pain, & restless legs syndrome, EASY exercise regimine to activate your own natural endorphins & dopamine to help w/pain, While in bed work your muscles-tighten the muscles in your entire body all at once as hard as you can---hold it for several seconds(hold breath)---slowly release muscles and breath. Do entire body 5 times and then repeat doing one area at time--both legs then both arms-then low back/abdomen area; repeat cycle/one leg-one arm, etc.

SHOPPING LIST OPTIONS TO HAVE ON HAND DURING DETOX

Print out list to shop and to use as a tool to track what you take & its effectiveness.

Soup & Frozen Meals- enough for a few days

Liquid Nutritionally Balanced Meals; e.g., Slim Fast or Ensure

Gatorade (replaces electrolytes)

Benadryl (50mg w/hydro; taper ease aide)

Robitussin DXM-helps WDs; taper ease aide

Tagamet-taper ease aide; slows absorption of Hydro

Tylenol PM(but not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!)- during WDs you can take this during the day w/o it making you sleepy

Imodium (4-6 hours after onset; first few hours let body purge toxin concentrates) [detoxers have posted that 4-6 tablets x3 daily substantially helped them not only control diahhreah, but also lessened WDs]

Salonpas Patches For Muscle Pain

Aspercreme For Joint Pain (does NOT have Aspirin in it)

Airborne-3 boxes= (4 day supply @double doses3xdaily)

Nyquil-2 bottles since you will need it both day & night for first 3-4 days (will help joint pain & sleep)

Orange Juice w/Calcium-2 (will help joint pain & helps stabilize central nervous system)

Oranges-Natural VitC and other nutrients

Apples-Natural VitC and other nutrients

Bananas-2 bunches (potassium source; eat 2-3 daily; will help joint pain &helps stabilize central nervous system)

Sweet Potatoes-great nutrient source for VitA and other things; canned or fresh to cook-can be microwaved)

Blue Berries-fresh or dried -Great antioxidant

Spinach-Leafy Salad Mix, Frozen, or Canned (Vit. A-eat as much as you can)

Mini Carrots (good VitA and fiber source)

Green Tea-great antioxidant to help cleanse your system of toxins.

Peppermint Tea & Peppermint Candy-Nausea

Chammomile Tea-Sleep

Hershey’s Dark Chocolate Bars-has antioxidant & central nervous system coping properties

Zinc 50 or 60 mg (3xdaily ONLY W/FOOD; will substantially help joint pain)

B-Complex 100 mg. (helps stabilize central nervous system)


*L-Tyrosine [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX ](Health Food Store-will help joint pain & nerves) One hour before eating start w/2000 mgs; scale up/down based on how you feel up to 4,000 mgs. Take w/B-6 to help w/absorption. It will give you a surge of physical & mental energy that helps counteract malaise feeling. If you experience "coffee jitters" reduce to comfortable level.

*5HTP 100mg 3xdaily-no more than 300 mg daily as it could create risk elevated seratonin levels[avoid if already taking any SSRI RX m]-Walmart for best price; otherwise pricey; helps joint pain & nerves)

D-Phenylalanine (Health Food Store-helps joint pain) Compliments effectiveness of L-Tryosine and 5HTP

B-6 (needed for aborption & effectiveness of L-Tyrosine/D-Phenylalaline)

B-Complex w-B12 Sublingual Liquid Drops (Walmart-Spring Valley Line-key ingredient here is the B-12 which helps central nervous system & energy level. B-12 can only be absorbed by the body through natural dietary sources, injections, or liquid sublingual-under tongue

Calcium (helps joint pain & nerves)

*St. John's Wort [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX meds]-will help w/onset of depression which will also affect level of joint pain)

Multi-Vitamin Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

Multi-Mineral Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

Valerian Root (Walmart-helps nerves; increase dose leves @night to help w/sleep)

Hyland's Leg Cramps-Walmart-Homepathic Supplement has Quinine in it which helps w/leg syndrome; sublingual under tongue. RX levels of Quinine available from doctor.

Fish Oil-OMEGA 3-Helps w/legs syndrome &pain

[*These products impact serotonin levels and therefore if you are on any SSRI medications do NOT take these additional supplements as it could alter your RX medication]

Mindless Comedy Movies-mental distraction aids; make sure you get 1 week rentals unless you have someone who can return them for you.

Note: Its a good idea to have Activated Charcoal & Benadryl on hand. If at any time you feel you may have exceeded a level on anything the Charcoal functions like a system sponge for absorbing toxins and carrying out toxins; it will turn stool a charcoal color. The Benadryl is an antihistamine and is sometimes given for adverse reactions to other medications. These things are almost always never needed but provided safety and security to just know they are on hand.
However, NO antihistimines if you are detoxing from Benzodiazepines Some online medical reports suggest that antihistimines (Benadryl, TylenolPM, sleep aids) may increase risk of Benzo withdrawal seizure.

None of these things will totally eliminate WDs; but, may help lessen them.



hope this can help somebody :)

#2 Hippie3

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 08:14 PM

thx
now first to get toxic....
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 08:23 PM

:lol:

man i been researchin and this is the best advice ive found. real holistic type of advice going on here. right up my alley :) also the person must have been an addict themselves, because it makes perfect sense, and allthe stuff ive come across has been written by folks without first hand experience.

anyhow, i certainly hope this helps heal a soul or two :) be well

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 08:24 PM

Thanks for sharing cap. :bow:

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 08:25 PM

no prob merma :bow:

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 10:27 PM

Nice one cap.:bow:

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:25 PM

Might wanna add Immodium AD to the list(edit: oops just saw it), cause it really helps with the diarrhea. I read a detox plan that had OTC medications, that all may help.. Saw it somewhere on the net.. Diphenhydramine (AKA benadryl) for helping sleep, was another one on the list...

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 08:20 PM

might not be much help in worst cases
but it's better than nothing,
which is what you contributed.

had about enough of your negativity
cleanjar, greatone, camel- whatever.

spin it positive with some gracious praise
for the trouble taken
to help.
otherwise just pass by silently.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 08:28 PM

yeah it crossed my mind not to add anything
oops
it was not my intention to sound like i was
knocking anything, just expanding upon it.
and i do not know who camel is
appologize for being, or issues i..
have a good one..

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 02:20 PM

yeah all that stuff is already listed. and benedryl is not to be used with benzodiazapine detox as stated in the 1st post :) long read but well worth it imo

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 03:26 PM

Thanks Cap! Could have used that list 11 years ago. Better late....

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:52 PM

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 06:43 PM

good list cap!
as a long time "opiate enthusiast" i can say you mentioned all the important points. keeping hydrated and keeping the electrolyte levels up will help with some of the discomfort. avoid alcohol, it just makes things worse.
some type of exercise helps a lot too. clonidine (used to treat hypertension) will help alleviate some of the "jitters". it also has a sedative effect that may help one to sleep.
above all, not getting strung out to begin with is the best way to avoid the hell of withdrawals. limiting one's use of opiates to just weekends or never indulging 2 days in a row is a safe way to go. just remember that you have to pay the band in the end. those blissful hours of scratching your nose will eventually have to be paid back - plus interest.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 08:52 PM

I drank lots of gatorade, but the problem is you are already as edgy as a dog shitting peach pits, so the added sugar doesnt help. If you find yourself super nervous just drink lots of water or find a sugar free way to replace electrolytes.

Benedryl was by far the biggest help as it gave me an hour of sleep each night. Hot baths help tremendously with the leg cramps. Daytime is a walk in the park compared to nights, so keep your mind occupied by renting lots of movies or working out. Walking helps, so does any exercise.

I used xanax to help me with the edginess as well, taking up to 5 mg a day. I had no addiction to xanax and using them temporarily did nothing as far as giving me a new replacement habit.

Weed may or may not help. It did nothing for me except make me feel worse, due to the anxiety. I am sure it may affect others positively.

Thats about all I can add to Caps post.

oh yeah


You will not want to eat, and you will likely lose 20lbs of water during the process, so try and make yourself eat something. Yogurt, fruit, soups, etc.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 10:50 PM

but the problem is you are already as edgy as a dog shitting peach pits

wait ....im NOT a dog shitting peach pits? :puke::lol:

love u rocket

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 12:10 AM

A dog shitting peach pits! Now thats something to think about, OUCHH!

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 05:28 PM

also very helpful for real pain sufferers once clean/trying to get clean--
ktb:bow:
http://mycotopia.net...175-post54.html

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 11:07 PM

I've detoxed myself a few times off a hardcore habit, and I gotta say, taking all those extra pills and supplements seems like a bad idea. Your body is already in horrible shape, and now you're pumping it full of all this extra stuff that it's not used to, so your liver and kidneys are working more then they're used to to process it all. Especially if you're using something like Vicodin or Percocet. If you've copped enough of a habit off of such low dose pills that you're getting full blown withdrawals, you're likely ingesting near toxic levels of APAP (tylenol) or aspirin, and you're organs are already in less then stellar shape.

That said, the best thing about my last detox was that it was such a fucking horrendous experience, I will NEVER forget it, and I damn sure will NEVER repeat it. Every time I find myself in the beginning of an opiate binge (I still use recreationally on occasion, but not near like I used to) I think back to that last time and that's all I need to do to get myself to flush my stash.

Either way, whatever helps you get off the opiates, do it. If you need the holistic approach, and it works for you, awesome. If you need the cold turkey "I wish I was dead" detox, like I did, awesome as well. The main point is getting off the opiates.




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