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Started By Guest_chikarma_* , May 05 2005 07:20 PM

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#41 altered_states

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 12:50 PM

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The strain is living up to its reputation. Overlay has returned after patching and a scratching. Direct misting has been halted in order to not damage the myc network and the casing is still quite moist. The overseer is at a loss for ideas right now.


Nice pair.
Even the Overseer couldn't stop them from fruiting at this point.
Can't wait to see your pinset!

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 01:04 PM

Yes, poo is an exceptional casing layer for baskets. ONLY FIELD MANURE tho. Its even what Visions recommends as the casing layer for them. Id say its the best for baskets.

Manure can even be used on cased bulk subs as the only casing layer. Yes, a casing layer by definition is non-nutritious, but that doesnt mean that poo wont work well. It can be made to work great as seen below.


to quibble
those really aren't "cased"
they're bulk substrates
note the overlay on the surface,
casings are not 'sposed to do that,
defeats the very purpose of a casing.

but of course HF is entirely correct
in saying a top layer of manure will
fruit just fine
uncased.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 01:39 PM

Thanks hip. I've avoided the subject up until now in deferrence to visions, but decided after reading the whole thread that I had to clear that up. I see you just did. What you're doing with manure on top of straw is applying a second layer of substrate. It is not a casing. A casing by definition is a non-nutritious layer to supply moisture to the substrate below and also to provide a humid micro-environment above the substrate conducive to pinning. With this species, casing is entirely optional. They'll fruit just fine either way. As for the above project, my recommendation is not to scratch again. Just leave it alone and wait for your pins.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 01:52 PM

has anyone else noticed that pins don't abort in baskets?

this has never happened to me. i use a rose mister thing that works by a pump, not your hand squeezing mister so it could be that the water droplets are small.

my guess is that since it's open air, pins don't drown from lack of evaporation and air circulation.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 02:32 PM

how can you keep the casing layer moist if you cant mist it because of the mycellium on top of it?

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 03:20 PM

i believe you can mist it like that dei, just "suposed" to stop when you see pins.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 09:56 PM

When a casing or substrate becomes overlayed, it's best to stop misting, as that will damage the mycelium. You can lay a sheet of wax paper over the top, and it should pin within a few days, sometimes even sooner.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 11:21 AM

RR I like using wax paper. I usually put it on for 24 hrs. after I see my casing layer is colonized and ready to pin. I only keep it on for a day. I like the wax paper, works well.

I've never patched a casing, I just let it do its thing. After a flush I dunk then scratch then recase lightly. Seems to be working as I am now averaging 5-6 flushes per casing.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 06:21 AM

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The overseer can no longer contain the energy within the baskets. Pins have arrived and started to mature.

On the right is a PR basket, as you can see the casing was colonized to a certain degree. The overseer is not aware if this will hurt the amount of pinning that occurs. The Pr strain is looking slim and slender.

On the left is the PE strain the overseer recieved in a trade for a "shedthemonkey" print. The casing was not overlayed and the pins are breaking through the layer and appear fairly nice sized in comparison to the PR.

Pins arrived 14 days on the nose after creation of the basket. Two weeks on the dot.
After the first flush, the casing layers are going to be scraped and a heavy watering is going to fall from the heavens. The overseer believes that since the fruits are sprouting from the casing layer of the PR basket that it is going to effect pinset coverage.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:49 AM

Looking good. Congratulations. Any pins on the sides? Mine always pinned much heavier on the sides than on the top.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:59 AM

w00t! How does it feel!?!?! Is it just me or has PE stabilized?

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 12:09 AM

to quibble
those really aren't "cased"
they're bulk substrates
note the overlay on the surface,
casings are not 'sposed to do that,
defeats the very purpose of a casing.

What you're doing with manure on top of straw is applying a second layer of substrate. It is not a casing. A casing by definition is a non-nutritious layer to supply moisture to the substrate below and also to provide a humid micro-environment above the substrate conducive to pinning. With this species, casing is entirely optional.
RR


Yes, it cant be called a casing, because the definition of a casing is as Rodger describes....non-nutitious. The same would also go for coir however because it does contain nutritional value. Semantics aside, manure can be used as a casing material would be used with most projects and will provide all the same qualities as other casing materials. It actually can make the project more contam resistant because of the colonization of the manure. It, in effect, makes it a large cake. When doing something like that its best to mix the spawn in with the top layer of poo. Its not overlay so much as it is colonized.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 06:36 AM

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Im not sure if everyone is talking about the baskets in this thread. But if they are, they are cased with verm/peatmoss not manure.

A quick update is that the PE basket is fruiting ok, and the PR basket not so great. The overseer is not sure if its because the PR fruits cant push through the colonized casing layer or not. After the harvest the layer is going to be scraped misted and then a thin casing layer of verm will be put on top.

PR has a good reputation for being potent but so far it has been more difficult than other strains.

RodgerRabbit not many pins are on the side of the basket because the straw dried out to make a contam barrier.

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 07:14 AM

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PE are sporlating but cannot be harvested until tonight which will allow for the smaller fruits to catch up anyway.

PR are slower and thinner, with many more straglers

*Pictures are in reverse order

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 09:25 AM

yay! you gonna be able to weigh the harvest?

#56 fahtster

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 10:58 PM

those PE are very pretty. :) nice job.

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 11:20 PM

Cool! Nice job man!

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:44 AM

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The forrest has been pushed over by a mighty breath of the gods. BUt their essence still lives on.

The basket was covered in dropped spores, and prints were still taken. After only 8 hours dark heavy prints were dropped onto tyvek in a clean clear tub. More prints could have been taken from the same spore dropping caps with little effort. The prints you see are mostly widemouth halfpint sized. The picture is decieving as the tub is 58 qt sized.
The flush was weighed without the weight of the caps and then an equal amount of water was pumped back into the Laundry Basket. The casing was patched and fluffed back up and now mother nature will have her way.

The Puerto Rican tub is almost ready for harvest and a few fruits have uprooted themselves already.

Thank you for viewing these events with me.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:46 PM

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The PR forrest is tumbling. This forrest appears to hold the same fate as the previous.

39 Prints were taken from the PE6 forrest of various sizes and shapes. A handful of PR Prints will be taken also.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 08:34 PM

estimated weights? looks pretty dang good!
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