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#41 eatyualive

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 09:20 AM

i only use layering when i am spawning to a bulk substrate and casing the bulk substrate at the same time. ive never actually sat there and layered spawn over substrate and then spawn over that, and so on.


personally, i don't think its any faster of colonization. but i haven't tried it this way. so my opinion means nothing. foaf will get 3-5 days colonization on a bulk sub with dung/straw. where as strawnet will take 5-7 days a bit longer. but either way it works.

id do this if lets say we were using a casing layer.

i think fahtster was having good luck layering his subs like this. i don't recall wether he said it was faster colonizing or not.

the way i see it is this, its more work to do it this way, but if you see good results then keep it up.

if you don't see the results your looking for, don't make the work for yourself.

personally im lazy and just mix it all up in a big mix. as consistent as possible.

makes no difference to me.

And I stand by my statement that neither is superior to the other. Its up to the grower.


it is all in the eye of the beholder. so i can agree with this.

different substrates may give you different results. some good some bad, but finding that niche is where you want to be.

saico, if it works best for you, keep it up. but to me, im way lazy man! just do what works for you. and what gives you less headache and best results.

maybe you found a better way of doing it. without layering i can get some speedy colonization of tops 3 days is the fastest so far with tex strain.


eat your oats. there is no need for insults here. i do this as well. sometimes i work up such a sweat, that often sweat drips off my brow into the substrate. it happens. and it means, you working hard! nothing wrong with that.

and saico is my friend so please respect him as you would want someone to respect you.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 10:11 AM

I have layered bulk subs before and no, I'm not in agreement with you saico. I prefer mixing. Simple reason, more inoculation points throughout the bulk substrate. Layering IMO doesn't colonize as quick.


I have to agree here. I prefer mixing as opposed to layering. More innoc points makes for faster colonization and it's alot less work.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 11:12 AM

I like to mix the bottom 3/4's of my compost, then a a gallon of spawn in a layer and then a 1" or so layer of compost to finish it off. So that means I do both! :nana:

#44 eat your oats

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:19 PM

eat your oats. there is no need for insults here. i do this as well. sometimes i work up such a sweat, that often sweat drips off my brow into the substrate. it happens. and it means, you working hard! nothing wrong with that.

and saico is my friend so please respect him as you would want someone to respect you.


I was calling myself a retard, not saico ;)

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 02:29 PM

guys, check it out, so this tub was made 3 days ago, and the substrate was a lot wetter than it usually has been every single time in the previous. Wasn't sure if it was too wet but tried to fluff it up as much as possible with the bird seed which was mixed, not layered.

Other times people have said to put a layer of substrate over the top when you're done so the birdseed isn't exposed to the air b/c it can be easily infected with something

Well this time, just said fuck it, because every time that is done, it seems like the top takes forever to colonize. Anyways dunno if that made a diff. but it was mostly the water difference.

Hopefully this will finish with no problems. Have been slightly 'puffing' the saran wrap on top of the tub to give it just a tiny bit amount of fresh air once a day to ward off trich. Not sure if that's necessary, prob. not.

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#46 Lazlo

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 03:32 PM

Lookin' good! Good luck man.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:01 PM

That is very nice growth. Looks to be almost finished colonizing as well. :thumbup:

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:13 PM

it was 4 qts wbs to 5 qts poo/coir, so, kinda 'cheating' but whatever ;)

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:33 PM

That's what's so nice about g2g you can get tons of spawn quickly. Can't wait to start that tek. Looking forward to it.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 06:17 PM

I would personally rather eat slightly black fruit than a fruit from a full on contaminated cake or sub. Black normally means rot or degredation due to not being dried sufficiently.


I was talking about black mold, not bruising / wilting fruits.

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 02:52 AM

Looks really good. I wouldn't bother casing that myself. I'd rather be collecting fruits than waiting for the casing layer to colonize too. I think your probably 1 maybe 2 days at the most from initiating the fruiting stage. Give it some indirect sunlight when you get there.

Nice work slick :kewl:

#52 eat your oats

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 07:17 PM

Damn, it seems like not much growth since that picture was taken.

Ontop of that, you can see a few pieces of dry substrate that has not been colonized.

Overall it doesn't look to be lacking moisture, there's barely some condensation on some areas of the plastic bag, and the mycelium is rather fuzzy

Despite that, growth seems like it has stalled

Wondering if the moisture has ran out??

Debating whether to dunk before putting into fruiting??
GAHHHH!!!!!

Not sure though if that'd be worth it or to just start fruiting right away?

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 07:24 PM

Decisions decisions. That's a tough one. Let's take a vote. I vote to dunk it so that you get full fat fruits that aren't lacking water. My vote probably shouldn't count though.

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 07:53 PM

well, since the mycelium is fuzzy
and since there is SOME condensation on the sides of the tub
and since there's only 1 "dry" bit (only a tiny couple of pieces that seem to be isolated from the rest of the substrate)

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just cased it.
gonna blast it with flouro
FAE via giving it sonic-fogged mist 2-3x a day

we'll see

it looked like the majority was wet still, and only a couple dry pieces were the things that stuck out to

so it's in fruiting now and we'll see

at the very least itll get a flush or half a flush and dry out if these concerns are really founded.
so we'll see

will prob. dunk inbetween flushings who knows

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 11:49 PM

The mist should take care of that along with the casing layer, and you should get a full flush if it was only a few stragglers poking out and drying.

Post your progress with pics! Love the pics.


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Posted 31 March 2008 - 08:00 AM

How long before seeing pins? Still no pins yet. Wondering when they should pop up by so it can be determined if this substrate is too try for fruiting.

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 09:45 AM

Hey check this out. I don't know the link, because I have read soooo much stuff, I don't know where I picked this up from, but it seemed like a good idea to me. He put a short cut drinking straw on the tops of the DEC that went down to the cake. Then he was able to water through the straw directly to the cakes as needed. He said it allowed lots of extra moisture that the shrooms needed that they could basically just drink from and it allowed him to add lots of moisture without getting the moisture on the pins and fruits. I think I will be trying this on half of my cakes to see what I think. If you tried this use McDonalds straws because they are thicker than most.

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Posted 01 April 2008 - 07:05 AM

Well no signs of pins in 3 days. should it be dunked? afraid it may be too dry...hard to tell if it is but it sure is shrinking a lil


really tempted to dunk it for but not if it's stalled or if it is just impatience that is kicking in. anyone?

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 12:02 AM

alright, no signs of anything so today was a 10 hour dunk. it was obviously too dry.

why the heck does it keep dryin out like that? it's almost as if maybe it's because the substrate isn't 'big enough' as in there isn't enough of it so it dries easily even though hydrated correctly (any more would be running water). it colonized well but then dried up before fruiting.

so hopefully the stupid dunk will help

now there's a bunch of miracle gro potting mix [casing] ontop of the substrate and looks pretty wet even though all water has been drained.




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