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#21 warriorsoul

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 06:48 PM

Bring back methanol and grow hemp to make our food and fuel.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:24 PM

First, the hydrogen boondoggle. It's all hype. You can't get more (or even as much) energy out of hydrogen than what it takes to separate it from whatever other atom it's bonded to. For example, say you expend a kilowatt of electricity to separate the hydrogen out of som e quantity of water. Theoretically, you'll get enough hydrogen to equal that kilowatt when it's burned, or recombined with oxygen. Then you take the leakage losses, inefficiencies of conversion into, say, motion. You'll always get less energy out than you put in. It's just an inefficient means of transporting energy.

There will, I'm sure, be some new energy sources coming on line. Wind, hydro, geothermal, tidal, who knows what else?

But for the time being, we're an oil-driven nation and world. And the oil's running out.

In the western U.S., there are oil reserves far greater than the total reserves of Saudi Arabia. Shale oil and tar sands. These resources DWARF those of Alaska's north slope. It's real, and it's accessible. Canada is already making use of their shale and tar resources, and selling the product to the U.S. It wasn't the case a few years ago, but now it's economically feasible.

There are environmental consequences, but with careful design they can be minimized. By government estimates, it would take a minimum of six years to bring the extraction plants on line.

It would only be a stopgap, a cushion to ease the transition to a sustainable energy economy. But it's there, and we could use it to reduce our dependence on regimes inimical to the U.S.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:28 PM

hydrogen.
you know one problem ?
http://en.wikipedia....enburg_disaster
Hindenburg.jpg

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:59 PM

I seen somewere were a couple of guys were designing a car to run off compressed air ( pheumatics) it sounded like it could work.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 09:16 PM

hydrogen.
you know one problem ?
http://en.wikipedia....enburg_disaster


I'm a little concerned about all the water vapor these hydrogen cars are supposed to produce. Won't that make your traffic-congested cities unbearably humid?

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 09:19 PM

I'm a little concerned about all the water vapor these hydrogen cars are supposed to produce. Won't that make your traffic-congested cities unbearably humid?


yeah, i agree. i feel someone ought to evaluate the potential climate/environmental impact of water emissions... mayhaps not as destructive as greenhouse gases, but if everyone were driving a hydrogen car, there must be some effect???? i can't imagine it would be a good one.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 09:27 PM

every time you exhale
you add water vapor.
even if you sweat
same deal.
if the sun comes out
humidity soars up from the soil.
when the atmosphere gets too much water
it rains.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 10:19 PM

the solution is boycotting. hippie had it right. nationalizing corporations is the worst idea ever. not only will it cause huge amounts of inflation(more), but it will also cause businesses to move, atleast over time. incentive to open businesses would drop.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 10:19 PM

According to the U.S. Department of Energy,

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) emit approximately the same amount of water per mile as vehicles using gasoline-powered internal combustion engines (ICEs).


So basically, no big deal.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 10:41 PM

The direct methanol fuel cell
(DMFC) shows a lot of promise.
The methanol is injected directly into the cell,
where the methanol reacts to form
electrochemical energy and carbon dioxide.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:01 PM

As far as i know, there are 3 major things we can do... Drive Less, drive a veggie oil car, or drive a hybrid, or drive a car with high mileage/ gallon. I can already see it getting crazy with the gas... I bet it will hit ten dollars a gallon within ten years.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:31 AM

on frontline or some such a few months back, there was a guy that
was able to separate hydrogen and oxygen from water using
a specific radio frequency. its all about harmonics.
with the TC vehicle, the moisture would be collected in the
vehicle and re-used. no impact on the environment.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:37 AM

The power to make this specific radio frequency comes from?

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:15 AM

hydrogen.
you know one problem ?
http://en.wikipedia....enburg_disaster
Hindenburg.jpg


Yep. Ugly stuff to handle. It's the hardest substance there is to seal against leaks (smallest molecule). And even a little bit can make a pretty serious bang. Talk about transportation and storage of hazardous substances!

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:44 AM

i personally bike about 10 miles round trip for work everyday and another 10 to make it the bus stop for school

but i mean we could always tap into some of our countries huge oil deposits say in alaska or in the gulf. however the epa regulates too much of the drilling in alaska but id say the way its going to go would be some sort of alternative fuel india now has cars that run completely off compressed air and get like 400 miles per charge. slow as turds they are but real economical if your not on a long haul

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:02 AM

hydrogen is easier to contain than radiation.
we use that right along with far worse consequences.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:08 AM

The problem with compressed air is you still need energy to compress it.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:33 AM

i disagree.
a dirt wall several feet thick will stop radiation,
concrete just a couple feet will do it
or a thin sheet of lead will suffice.
but nothing holds pure hydrogen compressed/liquified,
it's hard on materials used to pump it,
and it's explosive.
plus
there are no nuclear-powered cars planned.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:25 AM

What happen with this? Any updates?

Seems like they bragged then just shut up about it.

http://www.usatoday....-oil-jack_x.htm

http://www.scdigest....7&ctype=content

#40 weepwoop

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:32 AM

You can find out more at http://greaselmydiesel.com/ or http://vegmyride.tv/ .
thanks,
Alex




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