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Alfalfa, coir, worm castings, and W.B.S. Clear monotub. Short pictorial + growlog.


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#1 saico

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:19 PM

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Pretty simple, I use the Pressure cooker without the lid for a big pot, I use a candy thermometer to monitor the temps and keep it around 165f. The big quart jar is filled with water to weigh down the wormcastings I have in that freezer bag. This keeps my castings from turning into mud as many other people have told me.

The tray is divided into 4 separate equal components. 1/4 Alfalfa, 1/4 coco coir, 1/4 wormcastings, and 1/4 Colonized wild bird seed. Their are five total layers. 3 bulkstrate layers and 2 colonized spawn layers.

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The alfalfa straw and coco coir are both pet store bought. Brand name of the alfalfa is LIVING WORLD and the coco coir is Bed'A Beast, both bought at PETSMART: Land of animal exploitation.

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Here is the filtering system. 2 bottled water jugs, 1 with the neck cut off so the other fits inside it, and the other has the bottom removed. A thick wad of polyfil is stuffed into the top jugs lip. Water rushes through polyfil like its not even there.

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Unfortunatley the success of the filtering filtering device prompted my cocky nature and I overfilled the top jug and spilled the contents all over the dirty kitchen floor..... What to do? Guess it's time to stick the the stuff back in the pot for another 2 hours to completely pasteurize it again. I omitted the worm castings though and stuck them in a sealed tub for when I was ready to use them.

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K here is the mix in the pot without any worm castings added yet. I just added it and mixed all 3 bulk substrates together by hand.

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This seedling tray has roughly a 20 pint/10 quart (water) capacity. I measured this out by counting how many pint jars of water it took to fill the tray to the top.

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K here is the first bulk substrate layer added to the tray. The way I measured it out was this: I have 3 bulksubstrate layers to add therefor I must divide it into one thirds 1/3's.

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Here is the first layer of spawn added. 2 layers so we use half our spawn this time.

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And here is the second layer of bulksubstrate added, again 1/3. Then the other half of the spawn and finally the last 1/3 of bulksubstrate to cap it off.

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Hehe! ok this is pinning quite nicely indeed. The addition of alfalfa this time is definetely affecting the yield in a most posetive way :loveeyes:.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:29 PM

few use alfalfa more than once, a bit too rich.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:36 PM

Nice...!
It should fruit well , Alfalfa has 5 times the nitrogen of wheat straw..
Have to colo quick cause mold loves alfalfa too..Enjoy those boomerz...

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:03 PM

Very nice! Keep the pics coming!

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:36 PM

In the future use strawnet, or buy a 40$ bale and bag it up for future storage....instead of using guinea pig food.:pirate:

Madd pinset though. Never thought Alfalfa could be pulled off successfully.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:51 PM

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IDK this guinea pig food kicks ass in a big way. It's permanently in my mushroom repertoire. :rasta:

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Can you say stockpiling!

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 07:37 AM

Heh...That is a nice crop - congrats....:eusa_clap

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 08:08 AM

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IDK this guinea pig food kicks ass in a big way. It's permanently in my mushroom repertoire. :rasta:

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Can you say stockpiling!

wow thats the nicest seedling flat ive ever seen man. amazing size for such a shallow sub!

i reckon the guinea pig industry adds some sort of prservatives or something to prevent spoiling, maybe this has something to do with the success, because as others have already noted, the ingredients your using are mold magnets and not ideal by any stretch, but its working for you, and thats a very good thing!

straw by itself is always great, but i like to mix it with compost when filling trays or tubs.
if doing straw logs orlaundrybaskets (havent tried yet) i would use straight straw and the results ive seen with nothing else added are incredible! im not going to advise anyone to spend more money then needed on shroom food but again, if it aint broke, dont fix it! keep up the good work!

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 01:29 PM

alfalfa huh. timothy hay and alfalfa always gave me a headache cutting it with scissors. looks good though. got some nice horse nuggets myself. smell nice an mineralish if thats a word.

here is something to help you maximize your fruiting area on the bottom of that tub. get two black seedling flat trays. you can cut them both on one side and then hook them up with some high temp silicone or something that will keep them together. this will allow you to maximize your entire floor area of that bin. yes, you use two trays, and yes you almost waste an entire tray but just that little twist may give you just a bit more you need. so keep it in mind. you don't have to do this but you can.

so measure the bottom of your tub and cut them according that measurement. the entire floor will now be your seedling flat.

ummm.. by the way did i say... you tha man!

i tried that years ago but man nice find man really nice find..... just found it tough to cut. is all.. ive seen timothy hay there in bundles cut to about 6-12" pieces.

In the future use strawnet, or buy a 40$ bale and bag it up for future storage....instead of using guinea pig food.

Madd pinset though. Never thought Alfalfa could be pulled off successfully.

hey sg, id have to disagree here. i say use what works. and if you have success with something and no one else can pull it off, so be it, you have nothing to prove to anyone. hell if i could fruit cubes off toilet paper, so be it lol...
also, it may be easier to obtain if its local as well. and you can't beat convenience. one problem ive seen over the years. is when i really like a product. convenience can turn into dependence. and if they discontinue that product...well......then your dependent upon something you can't obtain. i think im personally responsible for making iris clear stack bins increase double the price they were 8 years ago. they should give me some dividends for increasing their stock....lol!

office depot now sells these for 20$ and they used to be 10$. wow, things change.....


saico, what are you using for the lid? are you fanning at all?

how many quarts spawn did you use for that tray?

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 12:33 PM

There are 2.5Qt's of spawn in that tray. 1/4 the tray's capacity.

It is a 64Qt clear plastic sterilite tub with 2 handles that clip shut on the short sides. It does not snap shut so it does not close a tight as a rubbermaid lid I find. I like it more cause I can use the lid instead of stretch and seal that gets tangled easy.

Most days I would fan 3 times a day. Some days though I fanned as little as once a day.

Thanks for the comments guys I appreciate all input from anyone, this is a nice place!

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 12:56 PM

you culd always use the press n seal wrapping around the whole container where the lid meets the tub, making it airtight.
but thats not even needed.
great job once again :eusa_clap:

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 01:05 PM

Your high spawning ratio is the secret to colonizing extra nutritious substrates..
Speed is key to beating compeditors...

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 01:37 PM

maybe i missed it but how many days did it take for that colonize? generally foaf will use 1 quart spawn to that much substrate but hell, why not 2.5 quarts and just colonize it fast as lightning!

Your high spawning ratio is the secret to colonizing extra nutritious substrates..
Speed is key to beating compeditors...


agreed 100%

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 10:13 PM

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 10:35 PM

Saico,
If you are into the pet supplies, I've had success with my rabbit bedding once before just mixed with coir. Might be another item your interested in trying out in your monotubs.
Great flush btw!!!!!! :eusa_clap

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:14 PM

i to agree. truer words have never been spoken
frak! :D :hug: i actually think its (know actually hehe) the additiives used in the processing of the bedding that keep contams at bay. thats kinda where i was going with the 'possible contam-free sub thread that nobody has responded in but me yet :D :lol:
i am on a website at this very second on my other machine actually that sells those dry ingreients for 'preserving' feed and bedding etc. ohioearthfood.com :eusa_shhh

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:23 PM

ok ok ill giv em away :p

serenade and remedy are the two brands that site has. if anyone is feeling up to doin an experiment :) try diluting the powder in h2o and soakin some grain then inoculatin with a g2g, but as golly said, the key is in the amt used. ive seen people back in the day use water soaked rye and mix it 50/50 with a speedy isolate-colonized amount of rye. and the myc rips thru so fast n vigorous that contam doesnt have a chance cubes being the higher species #1 (dont get me started tho there are 'exceptiions' i know lol) and #2 the mold is starting from spore, the cubes have a huge head start. make it enormous tha head star7t and ur set :D
lets find some more pc-free teks :D cmon
golly :bow: u lead the way :D :D :p :lol: ;) :)

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 10:10 PM

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IDK this guinea pig food kicks ass in a big way. It's permanently in my mushroom repertoire. :rasta:

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Can you say stockpiling!



just bought this guinea pig food to test it saico wish me luck if you read this thread!




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