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#1 viraljimmy



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Posted 18 May 2005 - 03:31 PM

FAQ: How Real ID will affect you
Published: May 6, 2005, 4:00 AM PDT
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET

What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?

President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable, federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes the Real ID Act--on Thursday.

What does that mean for me?

Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

What's new:

The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically readable ID cards for Americans. President Bush is expected to sign the bill.

Bottom line:

The Real ID Act would establish what amounts to a national identity card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents would have to meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland Security.

The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

How will I get one of these new ID cards?

You'll still get one through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will be more rigorous.

For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document," document your birth date and address, and show that your Social Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid visa.

State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration.

What's going to be stored on this ID card?

At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.

Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military spending bill?

Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft, troop housing, death benefits, and so on.

The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in February, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161. It was expected to run into some trouble in the Senate. Now that it's part of an Iraq spending bill, senators won't want to vote against it.

What's the justification for this legislation anyway?

Its supporters say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last year.

It will "hamper the ability of terrorist and criminal aliens to move freely throughout our society by requiring that all states require proof of lawful presence in the U.S. for their drivers' licenses to be accepted as identification for federal purposes such as boarding a commercial airplane, entering a federal building, or a nuclear power plant," Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, said during the debate Thursday.

You said the ID card will be electronically readable. What does that mean?

The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio frequency identification (RFID) chips.

In the past, Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of RFID chips. The State Department is already going to be embedding RFID devices in passports, and Homeland Security wants to issue RFID-outfitted IDs to foreign visitors who enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

Will state DMVs share this information?

Yes. In exchange for federal cash, states must agree to link up their databases. Specifically, the Real ID Act says it hopes to "provide electronic access by a state to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other states."

Is this legislation a done deal?

Pretty much. The House of Representatives approved the package on Thursday by a vote of 368-58. Only three of the "nay" votes were Republicans; the rest were Democrats. The Senate is scheduled to vote on it next week and is expected to approve it as well.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan has told reporters "the president supports" the standalone Real ID Act, and the Bush administration has come out with an official endorsement. As far back as July 2002, the Bush administration has been talking about assisting "the states in crafting solutions to curtail the future abuse of drivers' licenses by terrorist organizations."

Who were the three Republicans who voted against it?

Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.

Paul has warned that the Real ID Act "establishes a national ID card" and "gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit."

Is this a national ID card?

It depends on whom you ask. Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's technology and liberty program, says: "It's going to result in everyone, from the 7-Eleven store to the bank and airlines, demanding to see the ID card. They're going to scan it in. They're going to have all the data on it from the front of the card...It's going to be not just a national ID card but a national database."

At the moment, state driver's licenses aren't easy for bars, banks, airlines and so on to swipe through card readers because they're not uniform; some may have barcodes but no magnetic stripes, for instance, and some may lack both. Steinhardt predicts the federalized IDs will be a gold mine for government agencies and marketers. Also, he notes that the Supreme Court ruled last year that police can demand to see ID from law-abiding U.S. citizens.

Will it be challenged in court?

Maybe. "We're exploring whether there are any litigation possibilities here," says the ACLU's Steinhardt.

One possible legal argument would challenge any requirement for a photograph on the ID card as a violation of religious freedom. A second would argue that the legislation imposes costs on states without properly reimbursing them.

When does it take effect?

The Real ID Act takes effect "three years after the date of the enactment" of the legislation. So if the Senate and Bush give it the thumbs-up this month, its effective date would be sometime in May 2008.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 03:45 PM

When they want to implant the chip in my forehead or my right hand that's when I'm gonna start to worry.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:08 PM

perfect, I can get my bachelors degree and then get the fuck out of the country right before it goes into effect

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:34 PM

Spend, Spend, Spend! Keep on truckin G.W.! Go right ahead and put us even further into debt.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:39 PM

Go to church, vote republican, do as your told, work where you're told, live where you're told, smoke and drink what you're told, and don't protest anything. If you'll just follow those simple rules, you have nothing to fear. What's the big deal? Freedom is just a liberal plot to help the terrorists impose their way on us.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 05:04 PM

This shit is so frightening. Whatever happened to, "Give me liberty or give me death?" I feel that this is just another sign of the Mayan's being right (The worst part is I'm only half-joking).

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:59 AM

Link to the legislation text, for the curious.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:20 AM

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The link doesn't work jimmy...Thanks though.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:10 AM

The worst thing is they put this in the same bill that provides armor for the troops in iraq. If a senator was against the national ID, the republicans would say he was against our troops. Elections in two years folks, throw these bastards out, please.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 01:06 PM

The worst thing is they put this in the same bill that provides armor for the troops in iraq. If a senator was against the national ID, the republicans would say he was against our troops. Elections in two years folks, throw these bastards out, please.

Yes isn't it nice how they attach these types law changes to bills that the spineless lawmakers are loath to go up against.

Here is a peice from Stan Goff regarding Galloway's Testimony before the Senate :


I will certainly vote to "get the bastards out" in a couple years, but not for more anti-abortion, spineless, republican-lite Dems! What the hell is the difference anymore? I truely believe it is time for a popular revolution.



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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:59 PM

I won't get a national ID card. I don't need to fly, and I feel if I already have a bank account I'll get a couple more or get an offshore one before 3 yrs. I don't need to go to a federal building and I don't care to be tracked for everything by my own gov't. I'm for the people taking back our gov't. Its obvious they aren't looking out for our freedoms anymore. Using this in a military spending bill is ridiculous. This isn't to protect us from terrorists. Thats just what they want you to believe. I think I'll be moving to an obscure part of America within the next couple of yrs. I'm saddened by the recent losses of my freedoms and the police state we are currently living under.

Another bad thought to this is for gun owners and those who truly believe in the 2nd ammendment. Now the Gov't can keep a national registry, which they aren't supposed to do.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 12:47 AM

I dont post in this forum very often...but this is something I predicted last year with the results of a supreme court decision involving the rights of someone to decline to identify themselves when they are not being charged with a crime. I would bet that ruling is what this stems from. Lets hope it doesnt go through.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 01:10 AM

man to bad canada is so freaking cold...
dispite that it's looking more and more appealing

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 03:24 AM

This is scary. I mean I don't really keep tabs on political stuff, but you think the government and/or media would be making a bigger deal out of something so big as national freaking ID. And what percent of the US population knows this is happening? Or do people actually think this is a good idea? I mean wtf. And we still have 2 more years of this crap.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 06:22 AM

Sorry about the bad links:

Text of the law.

Alex Jones on chips, ID, and cashless society

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 10:32 AM

I emailed this info to a lot of people and most had and still don't have any idea this happened. I think I may have to call some of those republican radio shows to give em some hell. It is the sneaky way they put this through with a military spending bill that has me mad. Its just so ridiculous.

Right now I am getting backups for all personal documents. Birth Certificates, SS cards, etc. Good thing my license renewal happens this year. Hopefully its not too late to speak out against this. National ID, I thought the a fact of our democracy and gov't was to have State run gov't for these things. What a load of crap. And it will be us the taxpayers paying for all this, our states can't afford this type of card and it will be our schools and other state run programs that suffer to cover costs.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 10:56 AM

"Who were the three Republicans who voted against it?

Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina"

That is frankly SHOCKING. Around these parts we call him Hollywood Howard because he's got so many hands in his pockets; wonder what his reasoning was here.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 11:06 AM

Remember: if the colonies would have lost the revolutionary war, theyd have been executed as pirates and criminals.......they broke the law when they stood up, but frankly that sort of leadership doesnt exist today in this we are all a bunch of fucking lemmings to a degree.....two party elections are bullshit, and we are to blame.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 01:19 PM

It is the sneaky way they put this through with a military spending bill that has me mad.

Sneaky? I thought it was common practice to attach something to another bill that has a high likelyhood of getting through to law.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 02:19 PM

Sure it's common practice, but it's still shady.

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