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#1 kukukajoob

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 03:43 AM

Is there any diff in the teks used for noc'ing, colonizing, & fruiting of cubies vs those for P.Mexicana strains like Jalisco & Pajaritos?

Wouldn't the habitat diffs [common dirt vs poo] change the tek?

Would appreciate posting of any relevant linkage. :cool:

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 03:47 AM

I think these might be of use?
http://archives.myco...html?1079483411
http://archives.myco...html?1083563657

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 04:25 AM

Thanks my good chap for the linkage. Looks like the mexicanas teach patience too!

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:34 AM

Yep, it's one of those things to put in the cupboard and leave while you get on with a few crops of something else ;)

I'd like to give mexicana & tampanensis a go, but I have a few strains of cubensis waiting to be grown out first, and I need to get some rye grass seed & spores first. :p

Are you intending to fruit them, or just harvest the sclerotia?

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 02:01 PM

Mexicana is very difficult to fruit, even if you are an advanced grower.
Fortunately the sclerotia is easy to grow.
Rodger prefers rye berries (I think) and I just use popcorn, as it's easy for me.
It takes a VERY long time to colonize, so don't loose heart if you don't see
mycelium for 3-4 weeks.
Once the jars are colonized, just put 'em somewhere and forget you have them
for a few months.

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:52 PM

Are you intending to fruit them, or just harvest the sclerotia?


Can't you try for the fruits and still have the sclerotia if unable to induce fruiting, assuming contamination wasn't an issue?

The mexicanas have a fascinating aura and history [both shamanic & the Leary/Hoffman connections]. The discussions of potency range for cultivated mexi's indicate a large potential for variability which doesn't seem to be an issue for cubies. It's no wonder cubies are the mainstay.

Given the challenges, seems like it would be a better use of time to study some of the lignicolous/cold fruiting varieties. Potency seems to be a given there. So many trade-offs! :confused:

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 08:08 PM

I got bags and Mexicania on the way.

Does anyone know how well the stones will develope in bags, as opposed to jars. Please advise. Thanks.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:38 PM

hmm, i can't recall seeing any reports here
but i can't see any reason why bags wouldn't.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 10:49 PM

Stones? Is that a racial reference?

Is this a spawning event, or an invitro bag grow?

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 12:26 AM

the "stones" he's referring to are philosopher's stones. ie mushroom sclerotia. the mexican a species has a tendency to produce these. they are, in appearance, very much like stones. they are produced when growing conditions aren't favorable and allow mycelium to enter a form of stasis until more favorable conditions arise.

to answer your question, if you look in the archives, i believe you can find someone's growlog of stones forming inside some sort of bag. i think stones will form in almost any condition. getting it to fruit is another story...

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:35 AM

Yes they do grow in bags

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:39 AM

Yes they do grow in bags


I am of the understanding that you may want to cover that filter patch as the stones grow better with almost zero air exchange. This is HEARSAY but was found on this site.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:59 AM

I disagree. The most prolific production of sclerotia will be in the area with the filter. I use jars, but there's always more stones near the top. I've also found coffee hydration seems to more than double sclerotia production over jars prepared without coffee.
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 07:34 PM

I finally got a syringe of these sacred spores. but am unsure about G2G with this species. Do I have to wait for the stones to grow out before G2G, or will they be colonized enough by just being fully white to make the attempt?

I'm really looking forward to trying these bad boys out, and even have a new order of spawn bags to go with. But if they need to grow out the stones first, then maybe I will use the bags on some other projects. But then again, if the stones are required to grow out first, would it next take several more months to grow out any G2G efforts ?

Someone with experience with this species please advise.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 11:54 AM

It's just like any other shroom -
You can innoc one jar, wait for full colonization
(takes longer than cubies IME)
then do a G2G; no need to wait for stones to form at all :)

Once you have several jars, put them in a closet somewhere and
don't bother checking for at least a month, it'll
probably take longer than that for stones to develop,
your mileage may vary.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 07:22 PM

could you use any grain, will sclerotia form on popcorn, or WBS? are you multisporing?

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 12:12 AM

I prefer coffee hydrated rye berries. You can do up to three grain to grain transfers, so one quart jar can be turned into a thousand quart jars. That's a lot of sclerotia.
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 08:17 AM

could you use any grain, will sclerotia form on popcorn, or WBS?


results vary of course
but yes, one can improvise if needed.
rye grass seed is highly recommended.

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 07:16 PM

I had read somewhere that rye grass was the grain of choice for Mexicina A. I certiantly hope so, because that's what I got.

Dose anyone else know how large the stones will grow when G2G to a spawn bag? In other words, do they get bigger with the size of the container?

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 11:17 PM

Stamets pushes rye grass seed in TMC for use on Mexicana. After many trials with all different spawn materials, I've found rye berries much better suited to sclerotia production than grass seed. Perhaps this is because rye berries have twice the moisture at the start as the grass seed. I've never noticed any difference in size between the stones from small or large containers. I would also strongly recommend hydrating the grass seed or rye berries with weak coffee instead of plain water.
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