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#1 scientia

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 06:24 PM

So, I have a p. cyanofriscosa lc that gets thicker by the hour it seems like. (loves the karo+wood) I was wondering if any of those who are working with it can recommend how to get a bed for them for them going the easiest. Specifically, can I just go to straight chips from the lc, or is it better to use grain spawn first?

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 12:48 PM

I used some rectangular planters and some small flower pots, and I put in a mix of bleach-soaked alder chips with some of the soil that I had made up for my plants. (20/35/45 perlite/coir/castings)

I injected a total of 25cc's across 4 or 5 spots in the planters, and about 10cc's total in each of the flower pots. I also put some chips into a quart jar with a polyfil top and injected 10cc's into it.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:03 PM

I'd mix small woodchips and rice bran together and PC for an hour. Mycobags work well for this. The bran will be a booster for mycelium, and help colonization of the wood chips. If the chips aren't small enough, they won't colonize.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:51 PM

Here's a brief pictorial to demonstrate.

These are the best wood chips. The size is perfect for fast colonization.
http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1204483337

Mycelium booster
http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1204483337

3 bags of chips, mixed with one bag of rice bran
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Pressure cook for 1 hour
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Azure popcorn jars after 4 weeks. (started from spores) plant 1 jar per mycobag.
http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1204483337

After the chips cool, dig a hole in the woodchips and plant the spawn jar in the center of the bag, cover and vacu-seal. I never mix the spawn and chips together. The mycelium will colonize faster if it's kept together, also known as the island effect. http://mycotopia.net...=1&d=1204483337

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 04:39 PM

Interesting. What kind of conditions do these fruit under?
Humidity and Fae that is.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 04:43 PM

After the chips cool, dig a hole in the woodchips and plant the spawn jar in the center of the bag, cover and vacu-seal. I never mix the spawn and chips together. The Mycelium will colonize faster if it's kept together, also


Thank you very much Waylitjim ! Once again you've clearly laid it out. That quote is a very intersting bit of information !

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 05:13 PM

Interesting. What kind of conditions do these fruit under?
Humidity and Fae that is.


Cyanofriscosa share the same fruiting conditions as Psilocybe cyanescens and azurescens.
They love that cool wet weather.

http://mycotopia.net...t=cyanofriscosa

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 10:58 PM

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 11:03 PM

The Mycelium will colonize faster if it's kept together, also known as the island effect.



Well, I bet there is the reason shaking those jars have ruined/stalled them.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 02:43 AM

Once you got a colonized mycobag...it's a piece of cake from there.

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#11 scientia

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 05:15 PM

Hmm...on the "island effect" does the whole spawn have to be kept intact, or just don't break it into individual kernels? Because what I was thinking of doing was shooting a popcorn spawnbag with the LC, then after it colonizes use a sterile knife and quarter it, then take those and put them in the bran/chips bags and continue from there. (mainly because I don't have any jars available atm)

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 06:01 PM

What an informative thread !

Most excellent...

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:22 PM

indeed! waylitjim is the woodlover master :bow:

hey jim, i've been using oat bran with good results.. how's the rice bran in comparison?

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:25 PM

I've been using wheat bran ...

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:41 PM

Hmm...on the "island effect" does the whole spawn have to be kept intact, or just don't break it into individual kernels? Because what I was thinking of doing was shooting a popcorn spawnbag with the LC, then after it colonizes use a sterile knife and quarter it, then take those and put them in the bran/chips bags and continue from there.


Sure, you can use the colonized popcorn block as spawn. I literally dig a hole in the woodchips and plant the spawn, trying to keep it intact. If you want to add bran, you'll need to sterilize the woodchips. If you don't use bran, simply boiling the woodchips is good enough. The boiling process also fully hydrates the woodchips. TCO, I haven't tried oat bran yet, but wheat bran works really well too.

This substate also works well for edibles. These King Trumpets were grown on a similar substate. (but with red oak sawdust)
http://mycotopia.net...ng-trumpet.html

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:12 PM

Thanks for mentioning all that WLJ. Especially the part about the KTO Oysters. I have a bunch of jars of trumpet spawn that I want to fruit out and the timing on this info could'nt be better.

I can see where the bags come in handy to keep the block in tact, that would be difficult in a jar. Those platic food containers i've seen in your past threads,are they PC'able ?

thx

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:33 AM

Those plastic food containers i've seen in your past threads,are they PC'able ?


Yeah, these come in handy.
They're PP5 containers.
They won't melt in the PC.

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 03:06 PM

SWIM received some p. cyanofriscosa spores from Alan Rockefeller. She made a LC 3 days ago and has nice growth.

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 08:05 PM

excellent info waylit!:headbang:

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 03:35 PM

Has anyone had luck with cyanofriscosa?
I was thinking of trying it and it would be great to hear any feedback :).

I was also wondering if anyone could make a small list about the woodlovers. They all look so simmilar but have a bit different growth/ fruiting conditions. Maybe some warmer species could be fruited indoors along with more popular species like cubensis? It would be nice to see and I might be the one to try it. Just need to gather some info... It shouldn't be that difficult anyway...




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