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[Freakdaddy]

...particularly on Jeju island ("the Hawaii of Far East Asia").

Info is damned scarce on the Web about this; I know Japan has at least 4 active psylocibin strains...and as Japan is a stone's throw from South Korea, I can't figger why it's so hard to get info on mine question.

Any expats here encountered the real thang (or even telltale leads) in Korea?

[Floyd_]

Howdy freakdaddy, good to see you here as well.

gymnopilus species are there as well as psilocybe argentipes (in your area) good luck

[mjshroomer]

Howdy freakdaddy, good to see you here as well.
gymnopilus species are there as well as psilocybe argentipes (in your area) good luck

Where did you read that P. argentipes is i South Korea?

If you go to any South Korean University Library, they have expensive $100 dollars and up Korean and Jaanese Mushroom Guides on their shelfs. Find someone who speaks some English and get them to help you. Libraries have free access in most countries except the Vatican and Harvard.

mjshroomer

I notice you have posted this at a few other sies and no response.
Well this is one way for you to find out if there are any in South Korea.

[Floyd_]

*Classification : Fungi >Eumycota >Basidiomycotina >Eubasidiomycetes >Hymenomycetidae >Agaricales >Strophariaceae >Psilocybe
*Scientific Name : Psilocybe argentipes
*Voucher No. : 11244A
*Collector : TAE WAN KIM
*Collector Date : 09.Jul.2003
*Current Name :
*Habit & Habital :
*Life Style : Saprophyte
*Edibility : Poisonous
*Counrty : Korea
*Area : NAMBU HAK-DONG, GEOJE-SI, GYEONGSANGNAM-DO

http://hccn.niast.go.kr/

The strange thing about this site is that after I started viewing it the collection information returned that error. If i went to google and searched
"psilocybe HCCN" It would return links to some pages that worked. One of them was the above page. Google doesn't seem to return that page anymore. I'm not sure what happened.

The record is from the south though. Much more Japan like

[mjshroomer]

*Classification : Fungi >Eumycota >Basidiomycotina >Eubasidiomycetes >Hymenomycetidae >Agaricales >Strophariaceae >Psilocybe
*Scientific Name : Psilocybe argentipes
*Voucher No. : 11244A
*Collector : TAE WAN KIM
*Collector Date : 09.Jul.2003
*Current Name :
*Habit & Habital :
*Life Style : Saprophyte
*Edibility : Poisonous
*Counrty : Korea
*Area : NAMBU HAK-DONG, GEOJE-SI, GYEONGSANGNAM-DO
http://hccn.niast.go.kr/

The strange thing about this site is that after I started viewing it the collection information returned that error. If i went to google and searched "psilocybe HCCN" It would return links to some pages that worked. One of them was the above page. Google doesn't seem to return that page anymore. I'm not sure what happened.

The record is from the south though. Much more Japan like

Well I have several dozen photos of P. argentipes from other interested people who found them in Japan, but they are for my CD-ROM Bibliography only and I have promised not to post them online.

I am curious as to what the HCCN stands for? And why would he supply all that data and leave out the habit and habitat fo the species he doeposited?

Also, it appears there is no mention of the herbarium where the mushrooms are deposited at which makes it even less valuable as a reliable source, unless I am imissing something in the post m you made aboe.

All Herbariums have an official liting of their Initials for journal publications.

I even have one list somewhere in my files but cannot reclall. Maybe in the Guzman Genus Psilocybe Monograph.

I will later look that up.

mjshroomer.

Still, if it is in Korea, it must be very rare.

I will inform Guzmn of this report for his book, if he deems it as a valid deposit. He can communicated directly with any herbarium in the world. If that shroom is really on deposit at such a herbarium.

mjshroomer

[Floyd_]

"HCCN is the initial of Herbarium Conservation
Center of NIAST(National Institute of Agricultural
Science and Technology) in Rural Development
Administration(RDA),Suwon 441-707,Republic of
Korea.This is the NIAST's database of herbarium
specimen data and to the world wide web portal to
that data.
The HCCN was registered in the Index Herbariorum of
New York Botanical Garden,USA in 2006. "

from the front page.

[sangraal]

...Sounds kosher to me.

[mjshroomer]

"HCCN is the initial of Herbarium Conservation
Center of NIAST(National Institute of Agricultural
Science and Technology) in Rural Development
Administration(RDA),Suwon 441-707,Republic of
Korea.This is the NIAST's database of herbarium
specimen data and to the world wide web portal to
that data.
The HCCN was registered in the Index Herbariorum of
New York Botanical Garden,USA in 2006. "
from the front page.

So it could be possible then that the Korean deposit of P. argentipes came from Japan and was then deposited in the Herbarium by Korean shroomers on a foray in another country.

I have shrooms from Thailand deposited in many herbaiums in different coutries as well as many Hawaiian Cope species spread across the globe.

Shrooms are strainge. For instance, Hawaii and Samoa are rich in Copelandia cyanescens yet no cubbes have ever grown there.

But then Fiji is noted for its cubes.

mjshroomer

As I said, you need to walk around rural areas, in parks andl ook in gardens in man-made environments.

Four years ago we p photographed Copelandia cyanescens growing in thre mulched garden beds surrounding the Dean of Chulalongkorn University'ss Office. We later learned that the gardeners had bought fertilizers at a local market and spread them into the garden areas around the whole of the Department of Microbiology, Including the building housing the Dean. Zoom, hence Copes were growing there. They did not return for a second fruiting.

Like the church lawn in Bern Switzerland which had a whole couple weeks of a massicve lawn fruiting of Copelandia bispora from sod purchased in the south of France. The fruitings made a local European Journal and was quite impressive with bluing shrooms all over the lawn.

AS for Korea, I am sure there are some there, buit Koreans are not so much into psychedelics but like most Asians who work long indiseous hours, they love yabba (speed) in Thai.

Japanese love Pot. Mushrooms and X.

But if you look every day for an hour here and an hour there you will sooner or laer find some of one kind or another.

However, they nevr came back the following year.

[Floyd_]

*Counrty : Korea
*Area : NAMBU HAK-DONG, GEOJE-SI, GYEONGSANGNAM-DO

The collection information seems quite clear.
Geoje-si is in island in the south, not far off the mainland. Nambu Hak-dong is a small city there.

I don't think it is that surprising that a population could exist in the south, either recently introduced by japanese soldiers, tourists whatever. Or a long ago population. And then again perhaps the species was misidentified.

[DrPepper]

This is late to the game, but should be useful

http://mushroom.ccbb...e=WOOSUK9800173
http://mushroom.ccbb...e=WOOSUK9800172
http://mushroom.ccbb...e=WOOSUK9800171
http://mushroom.ccbb...e=WOOSUK9800152

I still have no idea about legality of spores, I know for sure psilocybin and containers of it are illegal in SK though.

[Man of Knowledge]

Freaddaddy said in the first post in this thread

I know Japan has at least 4 active psylocibin strains.

Freakdaddy, those would be four known species, not strains.
John

Also a message to Dr. Pepper.

Thank you for those links, however, those pages URL noted above have apparently been removed from the internet and are no longer there.

Man of knowledge.

To Freakdaddy.

I suppose they could be P. argentipes or as you suggested they may have been a misidentified species. It is possible that Copelandia species may grow in southern South Korea?

Again, while the information above appears quite in order, yet still, no habitat is listed as found in wood debris or in a coprophilous nature such as manure or manured soils.

Again, A Field guide such as the one by Hongo may list the species in S. Korea as well as Japan. But a photo would have helped. Sorry the links do not open and it suggests they may have been removed. Some Asian and SE Asia countries have professionals who do not like their works being copied so saving images may not apply to those whose link you placed above.

Sorry to wander off here but my rambling below is in regards to identifying certain species or works of competent mycologists, etc. IT is related in an off the wall manner but has to to with who identifies a particular species or painted or photograph of a known or unknown species or photograph and is in no way meant to hijack your original question. again, There are photography books of shrooms from Asia in University libraries in the region you speak of or the country (South Korea) that could help or a direct letter to the person who deposited the fungi in the Herbarium and ask if he has any photos available for future study in the region.

I have been to some sites and tried to save a photo and it won't allow me to. Next year, my server in the UK will be placing a security for the final ten years of my site on the Internet so that the photos cannot be copied. This is due to several people in the Seattle area who are charging students for magic shroom forays and giving them free cd-ROMs of 200 or more photos they copied from my site. I have already had two students tell me they were giving them to shroomers they charged to take on forays for cyans at the UW.

My distributor suggested having this done to protect the copyrights. So if anyone wants to copy any of my images they have a few months of free time to do so. But after January, all the images (more than 15,000) will not be able to be copied.

I have a small collection on my computer of IMDB images of movie scenes, and a lot of times I go to save an image from the site and they will not allow a copy.

Others have imprints from Photoshop on their images. And I do not want imprints on my art or photos.

I remember seeing a movie, Under Suspicion (1991) with Liam Neeson and Laura San Giacomo, about adultery in England in the fifties. Photographers, (P.I. types were often hired to catch male or female adulterers in the act for court cases as adultery was a legal reason to not award an estate or monies to those caught in the act). There were actual laws against Adultery in the 1959s in the UK, and hundreds of P. I’s were notoriously known for stalking couples to catch them in the act. Someone kills the stars wife just as a guy breaks through a door and photographs the two in bed; only they have already been killed. The man was a famous painter. SO later his long lost photos are being sold. His signature is his fingerprint. Later, as they are going to hang The start for murder, they find the finger of the artist, used to imprint on fake paintings, in a box in the artists wife’s home, and the cop, who is a friend of the accused, gets to Old Bailey just as the rope is being dropped and saves his life.

The gist of the film is that the guy who was just saved from Hanging, killed the artist and lover (the stars wife) and cut the finger and then came up the front stairs to the hotel room to kick the door open and photograph the dead couple in bed. When he went with the cops earlier to the artist’s home to talk with the wife of the dead artist, the star puts the finger in a jar in a box, which you do not find out until the final scene. It was a cool movie. I am going to repost this with an actual Wiki synopsis of the story, as I have not seen the film in years. It ends with the wife of the artist being sentenced to live in prison and then the lead comes and tells her how he did it as he whispers it into he ear, and then leaves her alone in the prison year as he goes to America with his new girl friend.

Then several years ago, a 2nd film came out, also titled, “Under Suspicion" (2000) staring Gene Hackman, Morgan Freeman as a detective and Monica Bellucci, on a movie filmed in Puerto Rico during the San Sabastian Festival, where most of the actors were not Puero Ricans. The film was about an attorney, Hackman is who is being accused of killing children and is being grilled in a police station interrogation room for the suspected murder of two young girls during an all night interview. Hackman is a millionaire married to a girl in her early 20s. But he has a penchant for photographing young girls. Morgan, his lifelong friend is the Caribbean Islands Chief of police, and is sure Hackman killed the children. It turns out that Hackman and his beautiful young wife live in separate rooms 60 feet apart from one another in a gigantic mansion, and they live in separate bedrooms because she walked into her sisters daughters bedroom and saw Hackman putting a necklace around the girls neck and saw a look in Hickman’s eyes that caused her to think he was perverted and liked children. By the end of the film, Hackman has broken down in the interrogation room from Morgan Freeman's constant grilling and accusations and gets Hackman to admit he found the body of one girl, and re clothed her as well as he had brushed her hair, and posed her in a position to take photos. As his wife watches him through a two way mirror, Hackman finally breaks down and confesses with a "yes, I did kill the two girls." His wife spits on the two-way mirror in disgust at her husband. At that exact moment, a female cop comes into the interrogation room asking Hackman to step out and in front of Hickman’s wife, the police woman opens a photo album showing nude images of several dead children and tells Morgan Freeman they just caught the murderer in a car stop for a moving violation and that the car driver admitted killing the kids. Hackman's young wife is flabbergasted that she realized he had so much hatred for her over a mistaken belief he liked kids because of the look she saw him give her niece and realized he confessed out of his hatred towards her treatment and disbelief in him and his love for her. Hackman had been near where one of the girls was killed because he would take his wig off and go pick up prostitutes so he was unable to provide alibis for his whereabouts where one of the girls was murdered.

So Freeman goes into the interrogation room and tells the other cop to let Hackman go, and the other cop throughout the film really believed that Hackman was responsible for the murders of the children and that Hackman was guilty and asks Morgan Freeman, “why are we letting him go?” To which Freeman replies, saying, “the killer was just caught and confessed.”

Freeman lets Hackman leave the room and he walks past his wife, both look at one another in disbelief and all that had just transpired, and they are soon both lost in the outdoor festival that is still going on in the wee hours of the Caribbean Island morn and they both sit down on the same stone bench, about three feet away from one another, and then they both get up and walk off in different directions. As they walk away from one another, the camera zooms in on Morgan Freeman as he is looking out the police stations window as the couple walking away from one another. The camera fades to dark
The End.

I taped the Gene Hackman/Morgan Freeman movie off of Starz on Demand. It was an awesome dramatic film. Very similar to those where an innocent man dies and then the real killer is caught, making everyone who thought he was guilty feel ashamed.

I only noted the first movie staring Neeson, noted above because of the concept of using a finger print as a means of an identification for proving that an artist can protect his paintings by leaving a fingerprint impression in indigo ink in a right hand bottom corner of a painting either along his signature of without a signature, thus insuring who actually painted the image and that it is not a forgery. In this particular film, the missing finger was being used to leavean impression on new forgeries of art purported to be that of the dead adulterer whose finger was found missing at the murder scene in the hotel room. I have never heard of a professional world famous artist ever using a fingerprint, but that is a sure means of identification for your copyrighted material.

When I lived in Hawaii, there was an Art Gallery in downtown Waikiki. They had Dali Originals, Red Skeleton, Anthony Quinn and other famous artists paintings. I used to go in sometimes and look at the art, as I loved Dali. Red Skelton was famous for clown paintings. And they had Picasso also. Years later i learned they were busted big along with two or three other similar galleries on the mainland US that also sold faked paintings by those artists and by the masters. In Thailand, Thai artists paint copies from Michelangelo to Da Vinci to Dali and others. Usually Europeans buy two or three and bring them back to little villages where they live and sometimes are caught selling them as originals. The Thai’s are master craftsman at paintings, wood sculptures/carvings, jewel cuttings, and also batiks, village images, etc. However, they paint for European owners who hire two or three to a store. Those shops are all over the country. They use a transparency to project an original image onto a canvas and then the artist paints the original and it looks like an original. Now those artists sell such paintings to tourists for the European owners who live in Thailand and have to renew their visas every six months to stay. The artists do not sign the names of the original painters on their works, but some do as several have been busted over the years. This is because the owners of the shops tell them to sign others names as on the copies they produce.

One time at the Shroomery, a guy posted several of Paul Stamets SEM photos, one from one of Paul's books, only he reversed the image on several photos and changed the black and white to a red and / or a blue color. I caught this guy and called Stamets and told him. Then I posted that those were Paul Stamets photos. Then the guy who posted them tried to lie his way out that the images were actually taken by a friend of his who gave him several dozen pictures to post. Then he told the shroomery members and me that he had called Paul who was his friend and straightened out the situation and removed the photos from the shroomery. However, I later called Paul and he said some guy called and apologized but Paul said he did not know the person at all, and then the guy reposted again that the pictures came from a friend. After that, the person never posted again anything and disappeared.

Over the past 12 years or so that I have been on the Internet, I have not had problems, but people have posted pictures of mine taken off other sites and posted them at new sites without naming me. Many people have posted a lot of my published materials without naming me as the source. I have never hassled those people, unless it was someone who said they did the photography and that too has happened. So on the advise of my distributor, I have arranged with my UK server of my website to have security put to each of my photos. Only my articles at my site will be free to copy, but the photos in those articles will not be able to be copied.

Sorry I have to do that.

As for any of my work posted on Mycotopia, anyone here is free to copy any images they want to their computers or any of my posted publications. And if they post them elsewhere on the Internet, I only ask that they remember to post my name as the photographer or artist.

Thanks

As noted I will post my two scrambled remembrances of the two above noted films of the same name in the Lifestyles forum for anyone who wants to read a correct version of the story since I have not watched either film in a long time. I only saw the fingerprint version of the film named “Under Suspicion” years ago and cannot recall it too well, but the Morgan Freeman/Gene Hackman movie is not that old. But it was suspenseful as hell. I actually turned it on because I thought it was the first movie about the fingerprint adultery film.

Check the thread in Lifestyles Forum for the synopsis of these two films which will make more since then my ramblings above which I did not mean to detract from the original concept of this thread which was about id of south Korean psychoactive Psilocybe species. But in a way, part of it related to a means of identifying ones copyrighted materials because of the URL’s placed above that are locked so that no one can view them. I also had a song from U-Tube of a singer I managed in 1963 that I helped record a record and get in on the Lloyd Thaxton Record Hop TV show in San Jose. It apparently had been removed from You Tube for improper use or whatever. It was a record that was on a label unknown to everyone one.

Man of knowledge

Edited by Man of Knowledge, 20 October 2010 - 07:56 PM.