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#21 Looky

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:58 PM

this isn't just coir alone, but no dung is added, just some insight on "growing with coir"
and i haven't found a single cubensis in hawaii on dung, they are easily found along coconut tree beds, only thing i have found in hawaii is copelandias on dung. Psilocybe's prefer dung, but as anything, they adapt.


Most psilocybes don't prefer dung.

Many of the bluing species found in temperate regions, such as Psilocybe cyanescens, seem to have an affinity for landscaped areas mulched with woodchips and are actually rather rare in natural settings removed from human habitation. Contrary to popular belief, only a minority of Psilocybe species, such as P. coprophila and P. cubensis, grow directly on feces. Many other species are found in habitats such as mossy, grassy, or forest humus soils.



#22 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:18 PM

Psilocybe cubensis is taxonomically defined as a coprophiliac (dung-loving) mushroom.

But they don't grow from fresh dung - they grow from composted dung which is sometimes quite hard to identify (especially in an rich, dark soil like what ya have in Hawaii).
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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:29 PM

looky
you need to do some more studying friend
before arguing .
they're right,
you're wrong.
time to save some face
with grace.
:lol:
we are where rodger rabbit learned coir was so damn good,
he argued against it long and hard
but the pics don't lie.
so now he's changed his tune.
:lol:
i can pull up threads even from shroomery
before rodger knew this fact,
and then we schooled him proper.
:lol:
semantic quibbles about what a casing IS aside
the simple truth is that
coir is good stuff,
cubies love it,
be it as a casing ingredient
or as bulk substrate,
they just don't care about technical distinctions,
they gobble it up.

#24 Looky

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:42 PM

Ok. I thought that coir was just basically good for casings as a moisture additive. I didn't know that I could take a bunch of coir by itself and shoot it up with a couple of cc's of LC and get good flushes. I know what I'm going to be doing this week. I'm curious to see what kind of flushes I can get with just coir. I have about 4 weeks roughly to kill and no projects so this will work well to fill my time up, this and the new outdoor pot I will be making on Tuesday. I apologize for talking out my ass :lol: I really thought that coir lacked the necessary nutes to produce alone.

#25 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:56 PM

I participated in a few of those "coir is crap, peat is God" discussions with the Rabbit.

And now he likes it...

Does he now also speak of the virtues of coir as a renewable resource (as opposed to the destructive strip mining required to extract peat?).

'Cause I myself schooled him on that.

Of course, what do I know. I never wear a tie while making jars...

#26 Looky

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:06 PM

Of course, what do I know. I never wear a tie while making jars...


LMAO :lol:

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:10 PM

LMAO :lol:



yeah that is funny "wear a tie while making jars"


i was going to say, im not looking up anything, it really doesn't matter what works for you, or me, or hippie3, or someone on shroomery, or even RR, may not work for me, or you, etc, and then again, it may kick ass for you, and not me.

that's the stoned version im sticking with it.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:13 PM

I didn't know that I could take a bunch of coir by itself and shoot it up with a couple of cc's of LC and get good flushes.


no one said that.
you seem a bit fuzzy about
just what 'bulk' means.
no one just shoots spores into poo,
no one just shoots LC onto straw,
and no one just inoculates coir all by itself.
that is not what bulk is all about at all.
bulk materials are not sterile
and so one cannot inject spores with
reasonable assurance of a good result.
one SPAWNS poo / straw / coir
with massive amounts of already colonized substrate.
rye by itself fruits like shit.
straw by itself fruits like shit.
but put them together and
voila!
it's the same for coir,
but that fact in no way
negates that fact that
coir IS good for bulk grows
and good [mixed] in casings.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:17 PM

no one said that.
you seem a bit fuzzy about
just what 'bulk' means.
no one just shoots spores into poo,
no one just shoots LC onto straw,
and no one just inoculates coir all by itself.
that is not what bulk is all about at all.
bulk materials are not sterile
and so one cannot inject spores with
reasonable assurance of a good result.
one SPAWNS poo / straw / coir
with massive amounts of already colonized substrate.
rye by itself fruits like shit.
straw by itself fruits like shit.
but put them together and
voila!
it's the same for coir,
but that fact in no way
negates that fact that
coir IS good for bulk grows
and good [mixed] in casings.


straw pellets and coir and verm work great too..... just throwing that out there. little off topic. How is everyone today?

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:31 PM

:bow:I'm still learning :bow:

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 02:45 PM

i was going to say, im not looking up anything, it really doesn't matter what works for you, or me, or hippie3, or someone on shroomery, or even RR, may not work for me, or you, etc, and then again, it may kick ass for you, and not me.

that's the stoned version im sticking with it.


I hear ya there, brother.

The "best" Tek is the one that works for you.

The "best" substrate is the one you can get easily in your area and/or prepare easily in your house/apartment.

There are very few absolute right/wrong answers in this hobby, whereas there are many differing opinions and grey areas where a bright person can make "wiggle room."

Some of the neatest innovations I've seen in my brief time in the OMC are a result of smart people innovating with what they have on hand (or within easy reach).

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:17 PM

Psilocybe cubensis is taxonomically defined as a coprophiliac (dung-loving) mushroom.

But they don't grow from fresh dung - they grow from composted dung which is sometimes quite hard to identify (especially in an rich, dark soil like what ya have in Hawaii).


i meant cubensis, sorry i was vague.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 03:38 PM

No problem, man. That was directed at Looky anyhow...

#34 limeade

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 10:22 PM

haha, weird.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 07:23 AM

Definatley An Interesting Conversation / Argument To Watch !!! Agreed That Coir Is One Of The Best Substrates To Use With Bulk. You Can Mix Almost ANYTHING With It And It Will Make Anything You Add To it Nice And Fluffy . It Hold Water Great And Has A Consistancy That Cubes Love To Colonise. It Smells Great Too ! I Love Using it And Have Just Started To Cut Out My Straw And Use 50% Coir - 25% Vermiculite - And 25% Horse Manure Mixed Well Together And Put Into A Pot With Water About An Inch Over The Sub. Pasturise For About An Hour And Use. Works Out The Best For Myself & Out Of Any Mixture That Ive Made Up, It Beats Them All In " It's Easy To Prepare " Its Less Mess , & It Isnt Hard To Obtain Or Cut Up Like Straw. I LOVE IT !!! :amazed:
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Posted 04 August 2008 - 07:40 PM

Coir is also a renuable resource. Mining peat kills the bog it comes from and destroys an utterly unique natural environment.

Before folks in the hydro industry (and us, to a lesser extent) found a use for it, coconut husks were just more trash bleeding the carbon bank and filling the dumps in Asia.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:49 PM

Hi y'all,
Thought it best to add this question here-

-How much seaweed extract (seasol) would be good to use with a given quantity of coir?

-And lacking a ph tester, would there also be rough guideline for adding coffee grounds to coir as a bulk substrate?




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