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#1 spacecake

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:11 PM

Some of us now how fragile the Pan mycelium is right...?!

Well..,when someone ask the question.."should I dunk my Pan casing after a first flush",then most of the time we say ..no just water it real good ,with a spray bottle or something like that...

Now,I have found out ,that a dunk really give's a better pinset then just spraying !
I have only tried it a couple of times with a multispore casing,but I'm aboud to do an experiment with three new casings.
I'm gonne use clones this time and I will make 3 different casings...

The first casing will be one that wil not get a dunk ,but just be sprayed with a bottle.
The second wil be dunked right Before the first flush.
And the third will be dunked right AFTER the first flush

It's an ongoing project ,so it will take some time,and you have to check this tread from time to time to see how it's going ,if you're interested.

I know a couple of you guys already dunk Pans casings and I have seen good results,but I have seen no real comparisons posted so far...

The spawn jars are still in the incubator,but I will show pictures of every stage of this project,if I can...

Here's the only example I have so far of a failed casing,that I dunked (after the first flush),because I had nothing to lose...
Before the dunk it had almost no pinset,..see what happened !

http://mycotopia.net...27&d=1217877053

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#2 Ben Dover

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 07:32 PM

Should be a nice experiment, I'm looking forward to your conclusions.

I have some Pan Cyan spawn going not myself. It's amazing how fast it expands.

Good Luck!

#3 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 08:00 PM

AH-HA!

Now that's what I'm talking about, Spacecake!

That is what I've been missing...

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:22 PM

;)...lol

That's why I posted this tread just a little bit to early...!
Just for you BB !

#5 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:55 PM

THANK YOU !!!!

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#6 spacecake

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 02:04 PM

Here's an update on those developing pins...!
Harvested them, and dunked again for a couple of hours.
(picture 1 & 2)

The colonizing jars,with the clones for this project are half way...
And I hope they will be ready next Monday or so !
Looks good so far !
(pictures 3)

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:36 PM

:loveeyes:

#8 eatyualive

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:03 PM

awesome i was waiting for someone to try this out..:bow::bow::bow:

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#9 spacecake

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:16 PM

Yes,I hope it would be a good example guys...!

I have one question tho...
I want to try a different casing layer...,I have a pre-mixed bag of Peat/coir and a little compost.
Looks very good and wanted to add some vermiculiet aswell....
Shall I try it..?
Or just use the regular stuff for this time,so I won't screw up ?

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:20 PM

yeah why not? can't hurt....

pans grow invitro with filter patches.

i don't see why it wouldn't fruit..

#11 spacecake

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:24 PM

Probably will,the ratio's look good too.
It doesn't hold magnesium,so that a good thing aswell.

#12 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:40 PM

Maybe add a little lime (or something else alkaline). Peat can be a little acidic.

#13 spacecake

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 04:50 PM

I always add cuttlebone to my Pan grows..,works too,but a litlle expensive.
Most of the time I get trich if I don't use it..especialy after the first flush.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 11:11 AM

So..today,Monday I prepared the substrate...

I'm using some horse poo that I found in the woods.
The poo is a little fresh and had a ph of 4.3
So.., I took a big pan ,filed it with water.. added two spoons of Calcium and the poo...
Cooked on low for 30 minutes and measured the Ph,..it was still to high (6.4).
So I cooked for another 30 minutes without adding more calcium,and now the Ph was 7.4 !

(it's always very important to give the calcium some time to do his thing !) http://mycotopia.net...nt-calcium.html

Drained the water and safed it for some other experiments (picture 1)
After that I added the same amoud of vermiculiet to the horsepoo,and mixed it up very well (picture 2).
Stored the mixture in jars and pressure cooked for 70 minutes (picture 3).

Now it's waiting for the spawn to be ready...
The jars are almost 100% colonized ,but I don't think the inside is..,so I leave them in the incubater for one or two more days !

Well,that's it for today...let you all know when the jars are done.. :)

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 11:16 AM

how do you test you ph?
i know you can by them cheap meters at lowes you just stick in the dirt. is that accurate enough or do you use something else?

edit: feel like an ass should've have read the link.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 11:27 AM

:lol:

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 05:57 PM

That poo is nice and fluffy looking!

Good luck, dude! You know I love your pans...

#18 spacecake

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 06:03 PM

Thanks Buck...

Never in my life ,I would have guesed I would take pictures
of fluffy poo as a hobby.... :D

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 06:07 PM

I'm definitely pulling up a seat and anxious to see the results. I think experimenting is the best way to learn.. You got my interest. Good Luck Spacecake. imo we need more threads like this.:headbang:

#20 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 06:16 PM

Thanks Buck...

Never in my life ,I would have guesed I would take pictures
of fluffy poo as a hobby.... :D


And get compliments on your poo!




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