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#1 chrisnh

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:01 PM

certainly not an ideal first monotub experience so far, but hey, fruits are fruits right? :)

if you look at this pic full resolution you can see quite a few pins on the way, some obviously are almost ready to pick. so what's the best way to do it? wait until they are all ready and some might be past and no good. or pick as they are ready? thanks :)

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#2 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:45 PM

Pick 'em as they get ready or pick 'em all at once. Don't let 'em go too long and dump spores all over the case - spores inhibit future pinning.

And it's a way more ideal tub than one that is entirely green across the top!

Congratulations, man!

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:46 PM

I let mine go till fully mature and print them... You got a bunch more coming methinks...

Good luck!

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:32 PM

I let mine go till fully mature and print them... You got a bunch more coming methinks...

Good luck!

And it's a way more ideal tub than one that is entirely green across the top!


very true. think i'll let em check every night and pick whatever is ready

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:49 PM

btw, if you are harvesting a couple every day and using a dehydrator(90F) to dry them, can you just leave the dry ones in there with it shut off and turn it on every couple days to dry the new ones and redry the old ones instead of having it on 24/7 as you add new ones?

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:55 PM

That will work. Just dry 'em as quickly as possible so you don't have an rot issues.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 06:09 PM

Once you have dried them with the dehydrator you should
transfer them to a storage container.
Foaf uses a 5 gallon bucket with a couple of inches
of dessicant at the bottom.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 12:29 AM

if you are picking as the veils open on each and not all at once, how would you know when to dunk for the next flush? is there a point that the pinning will stop and all the ones that are there will mature or do pins just keep coming? there has already been a few fully mature fruits picked from this and yet there are many tiny tiny pins jsut showing up. and plenty in all stages inbetween

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 12:38 AM

Pick 'em as they get ready or pick 'em all at once. Don't let 'em go too long and dump spores all over the case - spores inhibit future pinning.

And it's a way more ideal tub than one that is entirely green across the top!

Congratulations, man!


one thing i find helpful. lets say you want to print your flush and need the spores to drop. if you lets say dunk after you harvest your flush. use a sink spray nozzle to blast the spores right off the subs. works great!

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 09:49 AM

Ahhh...never thought of trying to wash 'em off! Thanks for that, Eats!

Usually I just flip the sub if I end up with spore vomit all over it - but that slows things way down.

I'll try that next time.

You should have a time when pinning slows way down or stops even - that is the time to dunk.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:34 AM

ok thanks :) looking forward to seeing how this really does. already looking promising..compared to past grows at least

a side question. i'm starting to notice that the sub doesn't look at wet as it was and there isn't as much water on the side of the tub. still some and plenty on the lid. and the sub still looks ok, just not like it did at first. and it's not building up like crazy on the lid like it was. as this is a big tray of bulk sub and not cakes, is it ok if the RH seems a little lower since there should be plenty of water still deep in the sub?

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 11:42 AM

It sounds ok, the tray is proly cooling a bit and generating less condensation..Best way to determine the water content of a sub, is by it's weight..

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 11:44 AM

twist and pull.
i sure would NOT use a dehydrator,
hurts potency.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 11:51 AM

I find absolutely NO noticable loss in potency when using a nesco snackmaster on full power. 145*F is not enough to destroy psilocybin, and enough to convert psilocin into psilocybin. Psilly's degrade @365*F.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 07:18 PM

i sure would NOT use a dehydrator


even if it's one set to 95F?

is the potency loss claimed by using a low temp dehydrator anymore than general drying? i don't know the exact details of what and when potency is lost, but i would think that if you have to dry them(fresh is best) then 95F air from a dehydrator should be ok,am i wrong?

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 08:52 PM

spores inhibit future pinning.



what's the story behind this? I think I saw you mention it before.

#17 BuckarooBanzai

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 07:55 AM

If you let 'em go way too long and they dump spores all over the top of the substrate (so it basically just turns black/purple) the next flush will suck compared to the same sub without spores all over it.

A ton of dumped spores seems to inhibit the pinning response in the surface mycelium. I don't know if it is lack of light, lack of air or what, but spores all over a cake/sub just screw it up.

Being as I am a BONEHEAD, I never considered just washing 'em off. The couple times it has happened, I just flipped the substrate and fruited the bottom. Which sucks, because it is like starting over waiting for a first pinset instead of just waiting for a second/third flush.

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 09:02 AM

I find absolutely NO noticable loss in potency when using a nesco snackmaster on full power. 145*F is not enough to destroy psilocybin, and enough to convert psilocin into psilocybin. Psilly's degrade @365*F.

it also degrades at much lower temps,
else they'd stay potent forever
but they don't.
it's a function of heat and time-
the lower the heat, the longer the time
needed to destroy the magic.
at 365*F it's instant & massive.
at 95*F it's much slower and less severe,
taking about a week to turn quality into bunk.
but it will degrade, test it yourself, i did.
it's august-
place a bag of boomers out in the heat,
mine were in the trunk of my car.
get them out a week later and see...
i also used my dehydrator, way back when i first started out.
did several batches that way too.
but careful blind testing on my friends convinced me that
pf was right about low temperature drying be superior.
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