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#1 Hippie3

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:17 AM

i use
lake water
with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per gallon
i toss a cup of worm castings in a 2.5 gallon jug with that
and let it brew a couple days

> a batch = 12 half pints

each batch gets 4 heaping cups vermiculite , medium horticultural grade.
2 heaping cups coarse freshly ground rice
2 level cups lake water 'tea'

then i add

1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast,
1 tablespoon bee pollen,
1 tablespoon flax seed
1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour
1 tablespoon blue corn meal
1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal
1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal
1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal

and mix well
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:32 AM

Sounds like a pretty healthy mixture.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 10:11 AM

seems fast, pints finishing in 7 days from LC inoculation

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 10:35 AM

:D that sounds like a great mix Hippie! I've thought of using lake water before, but a good friend has a natural spring, so I've been using his water. I told him he should bottle it lol.

I like the additives, shredded coconut, Thats an interesting one that makes a lot of sense. Very nice to see different cake recipes. :)

I've been messing with different cake recipes too. Not nearly close to being as nice as yours!

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 10:53 AM

i have a few options for 'natural' water,
ranging from a well/spring in my backyard
a small river about a mile away
and a lake-complex/reservoir a couple miles farther.
i generally just use the reservoir as it's easy to access from a boat dock.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:33 AM

I like trying natural water sources as well. I've also been considering creating a resevoir for rain water collection to see how that goes. Its nice being in a region where there are soooo many natural sources of water. I may even have to try a Great Lakes grow lol.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:35 AM

rain's ok
but i'd choose lake/river over it
as the fish & other biological activity
means the water is much richer in nutes

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:48 AM

so you stoped using the coir in your jars hip?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:56 AM

that makes a lot of sense Hip, I know a lot of lakes that are private lakes and no motor boats etc. are allowed on them. This would be the best lake water imo because it doesn't get the oils and stuff from the boats.

I too noticed the missing coir, change that for the shredded coconut?

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:01 PM

so you stoped using the coir in your jars hip?
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correct.
after several dozen tests i concluded that it added virtually no benefit
and since it's nute-poor i dropped it.
i dropped the castings too,
for very much the same reason,
additives seem to work best when used in small amounts as trace mineral supplements
but both coir and castings were relatively poor sources,
cakes are pretty nute-rich and should remain so for best performance.
so i cut the low nute stuff out in favor
of the coconut and corn meal, both much richer sources
packed with growth hormones missing in coir/castings.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:13 PM

Nothing new here, just my two cents-

I mix my verm with water, then stir
in the ground rice. This helps to make
a lighter fluffy mix.

Also, I quit tamping the mix down in the jars.
I add it loosely and leave room for the verm
barrier. The loose airy mix really speeds up
colonization.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:17 PM

1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat,
1 tablespoon corn meal


Just the regular stuff in the grocery store?
Shredded coconut and corn meal.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:51 PM

when you say "coarse" brf, do you mean you don't grind into a very fine powder?

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 01:55 PM

i use lake water as well since I can walk to the lake in like 2 mins, as well as the bee pollen, ny,and whole flax seed
what's the coconut and cornmeal for? never heard of using those, but I like maxing out the recipe for sure.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:09 PM

I think he's saying the shredded coconut and cornmeal replace the coir/castings to provide the nutes they didn't?????/

One thing I like about all of Hippies formulas are the nutes he gives for quick growth. Always good stuff.

Hippie, what about non-liquid kelp? What about the kelp sheets that can be crumbled up to use? I have an asian to feed and we use kelp wraps on lots of stuff. Sushi and spring rolls etc. Wondering if that could be used instead of the liquid kelp.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:06 PM

i use lake water with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per
gallon
i toss a cup of worm castings in a 2.5 gallon jug with that and let it
brew a couple days

> a batch = 12 half pints
each batch gets 4 cups verm, medium horticultural
2 cups coarse ground rice
2 cups water 'tea'
then i add 1 teaspoon of nut. yeast,
1 tablespoon bee pollen,
1 tablespoon flax seed,
1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat,
1 tablespoon corn meal
and mix well
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Am I missing something? That only adds up to around 8.5 cups of mix. The rest is your dry verm layer?

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:16 PM

4 tablespoons = 1/4 cup. So roughly 8 1/3 cup substrate. Maybe the shredded coconut and flax seed makes it more filling and fluffy? Most cake recipes call for 10-12 cups of substrate to fill 12 half pints correct?

Or maybe Hippie likes a verm layer on bottom and top?


I need to stop posting when I'm :rasta: lol.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:38 PM

Just the regular stuff in the grocery store?
Shredded coconut and corn meal.


correct
except i used unsweetened coconut,
a bit harder to find in grocery stores
i had to go to an organic coop

when you say "coarse" brf, do you mean you don't grind into a very fine powder?


correct, i leave it fairly 'chunky'
grinding in a coffee grinder

what's the coconut and cornmeal for?


both are sources of kinetin, a plant growth hormone

Am I missing something? That only adds up to around 8.5 cups of mix. The rest is your dry verm layer?


correct.
the 'cups' are 'heaping' a bit over too.

just a top layer of verm is used, no bottom.

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 06:03 PM

so if a cake does not have enough food when mixed with vermiculite think it will fall apart ?

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Posted 08 October 2005 - 06:13 PM

not necessarily.
a fully colonized cake would hold together well enough.
the nut. yeast is a bit sticky, too.
but yeh, there's proly a point where adding inert stuff like coir
begins to impair performance,
as my contest with nicholas revealed, much to my dismay.
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