help with upcoming dpoo dunk
Posted 15 August 2008 - 01:07 AM
Posted 15 August 2008 - 01:27 AM
Now fliping the sub. I did a flip on my pe grow that is currently going. When I did the flip it pinned on the orignal top, the new bottom. If that makes sence. Since the new top wasn't pinning, I fliped it back over and let it fruit from there. The orignal bottom never got fruits and the crushed fruits that were fliped back right side up came to and they are getting very large. So all n all don't flip the sub. Just imo and experance.
Ps don't dunk the poo sub to long. Id say 4 to no more than 8 hrs. I've had bad results with a dunk longer than that.
Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:28 PM
I would let that sub go for a while before dunking it. I think it is going to put out a nice flush if it gets a chance.
Before dunking, it is a good idea to get all the mushroom tissue off the sub. But you don't have to go crazy (as you start picking really small pins, you will just see smaller ones everywhere).
Some of those ultra tiny guys can survive the dunk and pop up 1-2 days later followed by another strong flush.
Posted 21 August 2008 - 12:23 AM
Posted 27 August 2008 - 10:53 PM
Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:24 PM
here it is 6 days later. looks like some new myc started growing over the remaining uncolonized dpoo that didn't come off during the dunk. maybe after the dunk it should have been incubated a little? anyway, a couple pins are showing but nothing special by any means. also since the dunk it has a bit of a manure smell to it. obviously from the uncolonized part being wetter than it was when it was spawned to. is this going to be any kind of problem as far as the grow? and suggestions or predictions for this? thanks
I've never incubated after a dunk. If you smell manure keep an eye out for contams.
On your next grow rember that patents is a vertue. let the sub fully colonize than case. Let the poo turn almost fully white than case verm coir 50/50.
I've incubated after casing and also cased and left in the fc. I found that caseing and leaving in the fc has produced huge flushes, but takes a very long time.
Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:44 PM
From your first pics I did not see any aborts. They were all starting to be fully formed fruitbodies, all-be-it small. This was likely because your substrate was not fully colonized...and a number of other factors that I cant diagnose without more information about the grow.
The surface being completely flat with a bulk substrate is not a major problem. Other factors would have caused the small fruits.
It is best to get as many of the aborts before a dunk as possible, but it is not necessary to get every single one.
Flipping the substrate is, at least IMHO, a very bad proposition. Reading though some recent posts, I have seen several people talking about it. I would NEVER recommend it. EVER.
Mushhut has it right when dunking poo. It works best with very short dunks. A matter of hours.
No need to incubate after a dunk.
Also, please use a better method than hydroton hydration for bulk subs. If you are going to use that type of chamber, use cakes. Your results will be much better.
Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:07 AM
Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:20 AM
Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:23 AM
You will get the same results. And it would be easier to multiply what you are doing with more of the same setup.
Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:38 AM
as far as the perlite "shotgun" type...i have one of those going also and it's worked fairly well, but i HATE dealing with perlite in between grows. it is such a mess and pain in the ass to deal with. also i'm away for work 14 hours or more at time and spend a few nights over the g/fs so that with trying to get 6 hours of sleep doesn't leave much time for fanning and checking up on RH,which is usually fine in a shotgun, but not always when you have an AC running in the room. also the pmp can be tucked away and well hidden when the need arises and left untouched without hurting FAE.
and i have no need to multiply the setup at the moment. that big PMP holds a LOT of cakes and there's always the option of stacking
i'm not shooting down shotguns, there is no question that they work and work great. but this is an experiment in trying to make things as automated as possible while i'm away. thanks for all the info nonetheless :)
Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:47 AM
Why do they call it "shotgun" type now?
that's the name i've always hear and used when talking about a tub with a ton of small holes and damp perlite used for cakes. guess i picked it up over at the other place ;)