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#1 golly

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 08:13 PM

Today i tried making the Dragon tincture as per Mushit's instructions ,more or less..
This is the result...
It turned out to be extremely potent - 2 drops in some apple juice, produced moderately strong effects for hours..

Essentially , powdered 1/4oz of bud ..
Baked 7 mins at 340F
Then poured into Qt jar with 8oz everclear..
Simmered in water bath 40 mins..
Strained and evap'd down to about 2oz
Ended up with three little bottles of the tincture..

I like it ,but mebbe just one drop next time..:rasta:

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 08:51 PM

Interesting, I know SWIM that would want to try this type of thing out, all he has done is smoked his herb. Thanks for sharing!!:rasta:

One drop of Green Dragon helps the medicine go down I suppose. :P

Looks kool.

Once again thanks for sharing

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:18 AM

They say that the end result should be more brown than green..I really need a bottle with an eye dropper though..
This is a good way to avoid the smell of smoking but it does take an hour to feel it,so may not be suitable for many social situations..

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 12:10 PM

Very cool Golly ! That should be quite medicinal ... beyond the high I mean. Many say it can kill tumors.

Here's a write up about similar.

Tinctures

It is easy to prepare a tincture or an oil from Cannabis , that concentrates the active compounds of the plant. You need marijuana and ethyl alcohol of 96-99% (e.g. from the pharmacy), a glass that can be closed (e.g. jam jar), a coffee filter, a deep plate, a bottle with a dropper.

Reduce the Cannabis to small pieces and put it into the glass. Cover it with alcohol. Keep it in a dark and cool place for about a week. Shake it every day. Filter it using a coffee filter. Press the last drops of alcohol out of the plant material. You may repeat this process several times, at least once, better twice. You may again put the Cannabis into the glass and cover it with alcohol. Finally, put all the alcohol (it will have a green colour) into a deep plate. Keep it in a tempered and ventilated place so that some of the alcohol will be evaporated increasing the cannabinoids concentration of the tincture. This may take ten days. When enough alcohol is evaporated fill the extract into the bottle with the dropper.
The Cannabis tincture can be used directly, or dissolved in a drink or food, or vaporized.

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Tincture Cold Method with Ethanol

Jay R. Cavanaugh, Ph.D. AAMC, National Director

Making tincture cold preserves the integrity of cannabinoids. To be potent, this method requires starting material high in cannabinoid content such as flowers or kief made from trim and leaf. The material must be mold free and dry. Drying can be accomplished in the freezer (-4-10 degrees Celsius) or better yet by placing in a liquid proof bag into a dry ice/ethanol ice bath (-70 degrees Celsius). Once water has been removed then the surface area of the starting material requires expansion. This can be accomplished a number of ways but two ways stand out:

Using flowers (bud)- Place dried buds in a coffee grinder and pulse until thoroughly ground but not powdered.

Making kief - Rub dry trim and leaves over a silk screen. Collect the powder the comes through the screen. It should be a very pale green. "Kiefing" is an age old way of extracting trichomes from plant material.

Whether kief or ground bud is used both should kept ice cold for this preparation. Similarly, the ethanol to be used should also be ice cold throughout the process.

Selection of alcohol- ethanol or ethyl alcohol is the form of alcohol that can be used by humans. The proof listed on commercial alcohol refers to the percentage of ethanol that the beverage contains. The proof is twice the percentage, so 80 "proof" means that the mixture contains 40% ethanol. The higher the alcohol content used, the better the extraction will work. Ideally, 200 proof ethanol would be best except that ethanol cannot be distilled to this proof so benzene is used to remove the last vestiges of water. This makes "pure" ethanol poisonous.

Many folks use "Everclear" which stands at 190 proof or 95% ethanol. Everclear has no taste. Apparently, Everclear is not available in all States. A close second choice is 151 proof rum. This is a light amber liquid that is 75% ethanol that has a sweet taste. One of our caregiver writers will use nothing but Korbel brandy because she likes the taste. Others use iced Russian vodka. These "normal" distilled spirits are 40% to 50% ethanol. Some patients find that the higher proofs ethanols like Everclear and 151 rum burn too much under the tongue. If burning is a concern consider a high quality 90-100 proof Vodka.

Cold Extraction and purification- Use at least one ounce of starting material to each pint of ethanol. Place cold powdered kief or ground Cannabis flowers together with ethanol in a glass quart-mixing jar. Close the jar tightly and vigorously shake for five minutes then return to the freezer. Continue to agitate the mixture every few hours with refreezing. Continue for a period of two to three days.

Pour the cold mixture through a double thickness of sterile cheesecloth. Save the cheesecloth "ball" for topical uses or use the material to make bud butter once dried. The liquid collected through the cheesecloth should then be filtered twice through a paper coffee filter. Use gloves throughout the process, as it is necessary to squeeze the cheesecloth and coffee filters to facilitate the extraction. Without gloves some of the material will be absorbed on the skin.

If Everclear is used the tincture will be pale green to golden. If 151 rum is used an amber tincture results. Dark green tinctures mean that excess plant material is present. This does not mean that the tincture will not be potent, just taste nasty. When Everclear is used, various flavour extracts may be added (vanilla, raspberry, etc.). Be careful to use only a few drop of flavour extract.


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Posted 03 September 2008 - 10:51 AM

What do you guys think is better, The baking and water bath method or Letting it sit for a month?

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 02:26 PM

From reading around ,the Bake and boil method creates a much stronger extract because THCA which would normally have little effect, is converted by the heat into the stoning THC - not that i know much about the chemistry of it..

Extracted this way ,the result was really potent..

The effect for me , comes on gradually around 1 hour , as a sedative sleepy, just wanna sit on my arse, type deal ,similar to poppy tea..
By two hours , it is more pleasant and trippy , the mind is racing but the bod is lazy..

Peeking around 3 hours ,with a very gradual slide back to normalcy 6-8 hours later..

I still prefer smoking for the shorter/trippier recreational buzzz really..

It did seem to relieve the aches and pains as well as Poppy tea ..
This weekend i'll try one drop in a cup of mushroom/kratom tea ...

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 02:30 PM

This is the Tek i followed for the prep..
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Green Dragon.
This is a recipe I had to share. It is not my own but it is worth repeating.
Everyone knows the joys of brownies and such. Well this is the most efficient way of consuming Cannabis IMO.
Here ya go.........
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The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)
Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.
This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
Double the Recipe?
Sure, why not. It should be fine. But I prefer to err on the side of caution and would probably do the extraction twice with a self-titration in between runs.
Using an Ounce
The recipe should scale nicely from 1/8 to whole ounce. But, unless you have experience with smaller batches I'd recommend sticking with the recipe as written. It would be a shame to have something go wrong with a large batch. I strongly recommend making the GD a couple of times before trying to scale up.
Process Summary:
1. Chop Cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan or aluminum foil and bake at 325°F for 5 minutes.
3. Remove from oven and place Cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum
4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/Cannabis mixture between 170°F.
5. strain the mixture and store.
Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis
More surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.
-Leaf vs. Bud
I have not tried the extraction with leaf. But you would obviously need loads more. The problem is you will also need much more alcohol. My guess is you should use somewhere on the order of 10 parts alcohol to 1 part leaf. Then once you are finished you will want to remove the spent leaf, and then concentrate the alcohol by boiling off most of it (using the water bath of course) until you have one ounce of GD remaining.
2. Bake the Cannabis .
This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.
In whole-plant Cannabis , THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC , which takes place when Cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the Cannabis to convert THCA to THC , but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the Cannabis from the oven.
Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the Cannabis . It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the Cannabis prior to extraction.
Bake the pot at 325 degrees Fahrenheit for 5 minutes. I chop mine in a mini-prep (or chop by hand) until it is quite fine. Then I spread it out on a piece of aluminum foil which is placed directly on the oven rack. If you place the foil on a baking pan you will need to account for the additional mass of the pan which will increase your baking time. Pre-baking should stink up the house. I turn on the stove vent fan. I also do all my cooking at night after neighbors are in bed. Keep a close eye on it!
Note that OKSmokey uses 20 minutes at 200°F. I haven't tried this but he has had good success with this temperature.
I look for two indicators that the pot is properly pre-baked. First, I look for the pot to change color from it's initial shade of green to a much darker greenish-brown (or brownish-green). I assume this represents not browning (burning) of the leaf but rather the denaturation of the chlorophyll in the leaves.
Second, I look for a slight amount of vapors to rise off the pot. Since the temperature is well below the vaporization temperature of THC , these vapors probably consist of compounds that vaporize at lower temperatures (like water).
3. Use the highest proof alcohol available.
Where I live this is Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.
4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the Cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).
The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/Cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.
Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” diameter x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/Cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.
Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/Cannabis mixture to about 170°F. The alcohol should be just barely boiling.
You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.
I've had good success with extractions at 170 degrees fahrenheit. You'll note that my initial recipe called for maintaining temperature between 150 and 165. At 170 the alcohol mixture will be slightly boiling. Note that this is alcohol boiling not water boiling. Alcohol boils with very fine bubbles as opposed to the rolling boil of water. After 20 minutes the alcohol should be reduced by about half.
5. strain and store.
When you are done extracting you will have one ounce (or so) of GD. But it is mixed up with the 1/8 oz of spent plant material. Here is how I recover the maximum amount of my extract.
First, I strain it through a regular kitchen mesh strainer. I use the back of a spoon to force out as much GD as possible.
Next (this is the cool part) I use a garlic press to squeeze the remaining leaves. My preference is a Zylis Garlic Press because it has a plunger mechanism, but any press should do. I then put the squeezings into the plunger in batches, and squeeze the holy GD out of it. This trick has increased my overall recovery by about 15%
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of Green Dragon tincture after you have strained the extract. Notice that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated. See the tips below for a good way to strain the tincture.
A standard eyedropper will transfer about 1ml (or 1 gram) of liquid. There are 29 milliliters in one ounce. So you should end up with about 30 or so full eyedroppers (30 milliliters) of Green Dragon.
Final Color and Smell
The Green Dragon should be a greenish-brown color (more brown than green). If it is emerald green and smells like grass (from the cholorphyll), it will be weak. Emerald green indicates that the pre-baking was not sufficient. The GD should smell like bud, somewhat floral.
6. Dosage. Titration.
You will have to figure dosage with each batch. And you must test it on yourself. The way to do this is through titration (a fancy chemical term that means to determine the concentration of a solution). The concentration of GD will change based on the strength of the starting material, the amount of alcohol you boil off during the extraction, the efficiency of your pre-bake, etc.
Start with one or two full dropperfuls (not drops!) and swallow them down. Check the time and note when you first feel effects, when you peak, the intensity of the peak, and how long it lasts. Make sure you can reproduce your titration (empty stomach, time of day, diluted in water?, etc). If you like what you feel, great. If too much or not good enough try again tomorrow with a different amount. With two points (high and low) you should have a pretty good idea of how it works on your body. Of course it might be different on someone considerably bigger or smaller.
For instance one batch I made was unbelievably strong--1 dropperful and I was flying. The next one took 3 dropperfuls for same effect (but the solution was more dilute as I ended up with 1.75oz instead of 1oz of final GD, the pot wasn't as good, and my pre-bake was a bit too short since I was using an unfamiliar oven and a baking pan instead of just aluminum foil).
One milliliiter (one full eyedropper) is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you must self-titrate (test it on yourself) as each batch will be slightly different. Effects take up to 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).
I place one eyedropper (1ml) of Green Dragon in a small glass. I then add a small amount of water (1-2 ml) and drink. Do this on an empty stomach for best results (about 20-30 minutes before eating a main meal is good).
Everybody is different. It takes me between 30-90 minutes to feel the effects of Green Dragon (depending on how much food is in my stomach).
I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of Cannabis and found that 5 ml (5 full eyedroppers) did pretty much nothing.
Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 30-90 minutes and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.
Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.
How much is in an Eyedropper
An eyedropper holds about one milliliter of liquid, depending on how hard you squeeze the little bulb. For water based solutions one milliliter weighs about one gram. Thus each full eyedropper contains about one gram of liquid. Since there are about 29 grams in one ounce, you get about 29 full eyedroppers in every ounce. The eyedropper I initially used measured 34 full droppers in an ounce.
Also I use the nice blue two-ounce dropper bottles from the health food store that are used for essential oils, tinctures, and/or other extracts
This means that 1/8oz of good Cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). For me it is much more pleasant than smoking (I've stopped smoking entirely).
Metric Conversion: http://www.worldwide....com/metcal.htm
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Combined Tips and Techniques
1. Don't put the stuff in your eye ;-). And don't put it under your tongue because it burns. I now place the GD in a tablespoon (or so) of water--yum.
2. When is it Ready
Right away. That is one of the nice things about this extraction process.
3. Taste
I find that after a week in the fridge (that's where I store mine) the flavor seems to mature into a heady, slightly floral elixer with bud overtones. I find it rather pleasant.
4. Isopropyl Alcohol
DON'T USE IT!
There ya go Green Dragonsters. Good luck and Enjoy.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 11:43 AM

Was wondering if the THC stays in your system longer because it is more concentrated?

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 02:11 PM

Just slower absorbtion is my guess..
This may sound silly but i want to try vaporizing a drop on tinfoil or let some dry on a menthol ciggy ...

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 06:34 PM

That looks delish.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:27 PM

Just slower absorbtion is my guess..
This may sound silly but i want to try vaporizing a drop on tinfoil or let some dry on a menthol ciggy ...


If you try it let us know if it works. That would be an awesome way to transport bud to a concert or something.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:29 PM

Interesing. Subscribed.:rasta:

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 12:39 PM

The Dragon does vaporize well...Put a couple drops on tinfoil and let dry for a few mins.

Heat the foil from below and used a metal tube to inhale the white mist..Good clean buzzz..!
This could be a reasonable method for concentrating lower quality weed but proly not worth the hassle for smokin K bud...

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 12:44 PM

The Dragon does vaporize well...Put a couple drops on tinfoil and let dry for a few mins.

Heat the foil from below and used a metal tube to inhale the white mist..Good clean buzzz..!
This could be a reasonable method for concentrating lower quality weed but proly not worth the hassle for smokin K bud...



So your freebasing marijuana?!

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 02:05 AM

very well i would guess. i dont/havnt done full extractions but a shot is a sweet thing. keep it simple

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 09:54 PM

Making a batch of GD with some really nice trim today. Used 5g trim, and a lot of everclear. like 5oz. Evaporating it down right now... and it's taking forever.

I went with 325F for 5minute 30 seconds
Water bath at 170F for 25 minutes, strained, then evaporating more

Color is slightly green, earthy color. I'll post back with a trip report. Thanks for this thread guys, it's been a real help!

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:29 PM

Yeah, I feel great from 3 ml! Have 200ml total.

Mixed with 1/2 oz water and it tasted pretty good. I can see where some curing could settle the floral flavors. Going to re try dosing with a clear head next time.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 08:54 AM

:cool:

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:13 AM

I am going to make some more in the next few days. That last batch did nothng. used more stems and stalks. The first batch I made worked 1 time(not sure if it was the everclear or the mix), then put it into fridg. , and tried a few days later and nada. This time am gonna try mostly leaf.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 11:35 PM

is there anyway that absinthe would work with this method??:crazy1:




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