I have had some success with the PF Tek on my first few growing experiences, and was looking to go larger. Sadly, I had to move most of the way across the country(California to Missouri), so I left a major portion of my equiptment home, figuring I wouldnt pursue another grow.
I ended up getting the Alacabenzi cubensis strain from spores101(edited out hyperlink) and a rye spawning bag from sporeworks(http://sporeworks.co...-M-p-16244.html)
Im waiting on the spawning bag (a gift brom my brother), and prepping a ~20 gal. clear-ish rubbermaid tub with tight lid. Looks like I will try to model my tub after Faht's monotub grow(http://mycotopia.net...s-bulk-tub.html), since there are a number of stables around with straw I can get from people at the rodeo ranch near the college.
Is using the spawning bag, like the one listed above, a terrible idea? Some have told me that their luck with those was moderate at best. My brother is getting it for me regardless, but what would be the recommended path to take?
Also, I do not have access to a pressure cooker at the moment, so any ideas you may have, please keep that in mind. Trust me, I am just as frustrated as you are, haha.
First bulk sub (monotub) grow
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:13 PM
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:21 PM
Thanks man. So no problems with the rye spawning bag, in your opinion? That is my biggest worry.
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:22 PM
Ok, you've got two things going on. One is the spawn bag and the other is the straw.
You don't have to do anything with the spawn bag other than follow the instructions on the website. No pressure cooker required.
Now, about the straw. Are you going with straw and poo? You mention you have access to stables but you don't actually say you're going with hpoo.
The reason I mention this is that working with straight straw is a little different what with hpoo and straw mixed. If you're going with hpoo and straw just do as fahtster did and you'll be fine.
with straw you'll have to chop it up into 2" lengths and pack it down somehow. Straw works better when it is compacted. That's why people usually do straw logs rather than bins with just straw.
good luck
You don't have to do anything with the spawn bag other than follow the instructions on the website. No pressure cooker required.
Now, about the straw. Are you going with straw and poo? You mention you have access to stables but you don't actually say you're going with hpoo.
The reason I mention this is that working with straight straw is a little different what with hpoo and straw mixed. If you're going with hpoo and straw just do as fahtster did and you'll be fine.
with straw you'll have to chop it up into 2" lengths and pack it down somehow. Straw works better when it is compacted. That's why people usually do straw logs rather than bins with just straw.
good luck
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:28 PM
Thanks! I will be using Hpoo and straw.
Also, I was thinking about possibly casing in only verm.(simplicity and pH) What do you think?
Also, what would be an effective way to keep the temp. constant?
I have been looking for a larger tub what could hold H2O and an aquarium heater , but am having no luck. I am trying to figure this out asap, since the temp. here is aready going dipping and the heater in our place doesn't function very well.
Also, I was thinking about possibly casing in only verm.(simplicity and pH) What do you think?
Also, what would be an effective way to keep the temp. constant?
I have been looking for a larger tub what could hold H2O and an aquarium heater , but am having no luck. I am trying to figure this out asap, since the temp. here is aready going dipping and the heater in our place doesn't function very well.
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 05:59 PM
100% verm is good for casing.
Just go for a TiT setup, go to a DIY store or home base store and pick up to storgae tubs the same size. They slot right in to each other and are great for TiT. Cheap too :D
Just go for a TiT setup, go to a DIY store or home base store and pick up to storgae tubs the same size. They slot right in to each other and are great for TiT. Cheap too :D
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:51 PM
don't bash cakes-
they are extremely efficient and very reliable.
many very experienced growers still use cakes,
fahtster was a good example of such-
he got more from cakes than most get from 'bulk'
they are extremely efficient and very reliable.
many very experienced growers still use cakes,
fahtster was a good example of such-
he got more from cakes than most get from 'bulk'
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 10:53 PM
Awesome. ALso, I was wondering if I could possibly use a layer of oats over the top layer of spawn (from Faht's post "Faht makes a bulk tub") instead of rye. Just pasturize the oats and im set?
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Posted 05 October 2008 - 02:30 AM
technically that wouldn't be a casing since a casing is supposed to be non-nutricious. Poo should be more than fine. I'd go with a simple verm casing. Why introduce an extra vector for contams (and my gut tells me that oats would love to contam in no time at all).
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Posted 05 October 2008 - 10:58 AM
Oh ok, for sure. I guess I misinterpreted his directions; I had thought he had added the rye in with the hpoo during the layering process. Thanks for catching that one , man!
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Posted 05 October 2008 - 01:09 PM
I took a closer look and his top layer is hpoo with layers of rye spawn underneath.
You don't have a pc so all you have to work with is your pre-steralized bag of spawn and your hpoo substrate. I wouldn't go adding anything else. This is pretty straight forward, best not to change things by adding variables like oats.
Mix the spawn with the poo and case with verm. volila! your done.
You don't have a pc so all you have to work with is your pre-steralized bag of spawn and your hpoo substrate. I wouldn't go adding anything else. This is pretty straight forward, best not to change things by adding variables like oats.
Mix the spawn with the poo and case with verm. volila! your done.
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Posted 05 October 2008 - 02:39 PM
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thanks man.
In a few weeks when everythign is going I will update with pictures and a log!
thanks man.
In a few weeks when everythign is going I will update with pictures and a log!
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:29 PM
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FOAF just innoculated the rye bag and have it in an incubation chamber.
Heat kept constant with an aquarium heater placed in a completely filled 1.5 gallon jug and sealed.
Fingers crossed:rasta:
FOAF just innoculated the rye bag and have it in an incubation chamber.
Heat kept constant with an aquarium heater placed in a completely filled 1.5 gallon jug and sealed.
Fingers crossed:rasta:
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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:31 PM
Good luck dude.Keep us posted and remember to keep a check on the temps
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 12:55 PM
Temperature was dipping during the night.
FOAF's initial setup for temp regulation was an aquarium heater rated for up to 15 gal sealed in a 1.5 gal bottle filled with water, this was placed in a smallish container with the rye bag.
I expect if kept in an extremely insulated container it would work well, but the temperature outside coupled with the thin walls/blankets lent to the dip; also the surface area available to radiate heat was not enough to keep it warm.
He then placed a larger rubbermaid-style tub in another of equal dimensions; removed the top one, filled the bottom with water (so when top was placed on the h2o goes partially up the side of the top without overflowing) and placed the aquarium heater in the bottom and put the rye bag in the top one and placed it in its expected position. Then he wrapped the whole shebang on a blanket.
(NO Visible growth--dont expect any until Id say around 5-6 days)
~Fingers Crossed!~
FOAF's initial setup for temp regulation was an aquarium heater rated for up to 15 gal sealed in a 1.5 gal bottle filled with water, this was placed in a smallish container with the rye bag.
I expect if kept in an extremely insulated container it would work well, but the temperature outside coupled with the thin walls/blankets lent to the dip; also the surface area available to radiate heat was not enough to keep it warm.
He then placed a larger rubbermaid-style tub in another of equal dimensions; removed the top one, filled the bottom with water (so when top was placed on the h2o goes partially up the side of the top without overflowing) and placed the aquarium heater in the bottom and put the rye bag in the top one and placed it in its expected position. Then he wrapped the whole shebang on a blanket.
(NO Visible growth--dont expect any until Id say around 5-6 days)
~Fingers Crossed!~
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 12:53 AM
NO visible growth yet (no suprise); however I cant seem to keep the RH below the low 90's.
any ideas? (No dessicants are freely available within reasonable distances)
any ideas? (No dessicants are freely available within reasonable distances)
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:09 AM
Still Nothing visible happening, but I figured, on the advice of a fellow forum member, that I should post some pictures of my little incubation chamber.
You can see the two tubs sitting in one another. Aqurium heater securely adhered to the bottom of the the lower tub, and constantly topping off the water level with warm, distilled water.
Also, so there arent any people who think Im absolutely incompetent, I pulled the chamber out of my 'sterile' closet to get the pictures.
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You can see the two tubs sitting in one another. Aqurium heater securely adhered to the bottom of the the lower tub, and constantly topping off the water level with warm, distilled water.
Also, so there arent any people who think Im absolutely incompetent, I pulled the chamber out of my 'sterile' closet to get the pictures.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:20 AM
Guess who I found cuddled up against my warm incubator in my cold old house!!!!
Prairie kingsnake (Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster) (juvenile)
Prairie kingsnake (Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster) (juvenile)
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:51 AM
don't bash cakes-
they are extremely efficient and very reliable.
many very experienced growers still use cakes,
fahtster was a good example of such-
he got more from cakes than most get from 'bulk'
i go for hip with that definately im learning that the smaller particle size definately gives wbs a run for its money when it comes to colonizing bulk sub
its a little harder to break down but once it does it mixes really well'
i reached full colonization in like 50 hours using broken up brf cakes in my straw casting mix
compared to the 7 days i generally give my wbs to colonize my bulk sub
soooooooooooo yeah dont bash cakes
plus, one myco bag
jeez what if it gets infected
honestly since you have no pc
just steam a million brf jars, cause its way easier(shit that dont look right)
and that way if a few jars contamn its ok
where as if just one of your myco bags get contaminated your fucked cause you only have one
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:56 AM
imho if you have the casing material mixed in with the sub
i really dont think you need the casing
hehehe
so if you mix the verm with the straw and the poo you dont have to add it
but i always do anyways
the reason being is so you open you tub as little as possible,
idealy once when you put it in there, and once when you pic and do between flush maintenance
but i have no sucess with just leaving my shit there i always get trich so i do fan at least 3 times a day, and when they are like 3inches tall (the shrooms) i go up to at least 8 times a day for fanning
but some ppl never fan
soooo many variables
wow good luck though cant wait to see pictures on how everything looks hehehe what temp is the incubator at?
ive been soaking my straw in pickling lime of late
to try and keep infections down
who knows maybe its helping
i really dont think you need the casing
hehehe
so if you mix the verm with the straw and the poo you dont have to add it
but i always do anyways
the reason being is so you open you tub as little as possible,
idealy once when you put it in there, and once when you pic and do between flush maintenance
but i have no sucess with just leaving my shit there i always get trich so i do fan at least 3 times a day, and when they are like 3inches tall (the shrooms) i go up to at least 8 times a day for fanning
but some ppl never fan
soooo many variables
wow good luck though cant wait to see pictures on how everything looks hehehe what temp is the incubator at?
ive been soaking my straw in pickling lime of late
to try and keep infections down
who knows maybe its helping
